PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[BrianW]

Didn’t know where to put this. But FFP changing with the wind in Europe.

I’d joke that they’ll come after us for inflating the Sterling fee if I didn’t think they might..

UEFA to introduce emergency rule blocking clubs from inflating transfer fees

The governing body's executive committee are set to vote on amendments to financial fair play rules during meeting next week and reports suggests a new proposal in wake of Juventus scandal could see an end to clubs selling players for more than the market says they are worth

www.mirror.co.uk

I don't understand how a player can be sold for 'more than the market worth.' Because, by definition, if someone is willing to pay more, that is the market price.

This smacks of the medieval concept of a 'fair price'. For example, eight pints of beer for a penny, enforced by law. We are massively beyond such ideas. Imagine Sotheby's auctioning a Rembrandt and the auctioneer starting off by saying: 'Ladies and Gentlemen, the maximum bid I will accept is seven million pounds, as that is the assessed market value.'

Of course, you can't imagine it as it would be insanity. By the same logic, someone (the Government?) should decide the 'market price' of everything, But then it ceases to be a market price.

 

[Centurions]

I don't understand how a player can be sold for 'more than the market worth.' Because, by definition, if someone is willing to pay more, that is the market price.

This smacks of the medieval concept of a 'fair price'. For example, eight pints of beer for a penny, enforced by law. We are massively beyond such ideas. Imagine Sotheby's auctioning a Rembrandt and the auctioneer starting off by saying: 'Ladies and Gentlemen, the maximum bid I will accept is seven million pounds, as that is the assessed market value.'

Of course, you can't imagine it as it would be insanity. By the same logic, someone (the Government?) should decide the 'market price' of everything, But then it ceases to be a market price.

The whole article seems to be nonsense.

Market worth of a player? Good luck in investigating every transfer and then managing the appeals. The transfer market would come to a complete halt as no club could guarantee their accounts would be accurate when it all drags on and on.

Wage cap across all European countries? Will never happen. The logistics of that and adapting each association to their respective legal and financial levels would give anyone a headache. Do the have a higher wage cap in London compared to Newcastle say, let alone country to country. Do they get an energy allowance as it's colder in Manchester compared to Madrid (that may be a tongue in cheek :) )

Are they going to attempt to control TV rights money to stop La Liga complaining the PL have more money to spend?

The extended contracts thing is the only sensible thing in there.

 

[waspish]

I don't understand how a player can be sold for 'more than the market worth.' Because, by definition, if someone is willing to pay more, that is the market price.

This smacks of the medieval concept of a 'fair price'. For example, eight pints of beer for a penny, enforced by law. We are massively beyond such ideas. Imagine Sotheby's auctioning a Rembrandt and the auctioneer starting off by saying: 'Ladies and Gentlemen, the maximum bid I will accept is seven million pounds, as that is the assessed market value.'

Of course, you can't imagine it as it would be insanity. By the same logic, someone (the Government?) should decide the 'market price' of everything, But then it ceases to be a market price.

They are in the ffp rules regarding clubs who own other clubs! say city sell gomes to New York City team for 70m it wouldn’t be allowed with the ffp rules it be accessed for fair value

 

[wolfie1988]

I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.

Nobody ever said it was though.

 

[bluealf]

I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.

Of course not but it is obviously more than 100k and the aim that our owners have is to expand that whether we like it or not, over on Twitter it is a playground for fans from all around the world for all teams.

The best are the rag fans from Africa calling City fans from Manchester plastics :)

I have no idea how many fans we have globally but it will be way more than 100k, I am sure we would shatter that for the NW alone tbh

 

[remember arthur mann]

The Propaganda machine has done its business, talking to a greek hotel owner yesterday, he commented how new City were as a football club, whereas manure were founded many years ago. also If people think of Manchester, the rags come to mind.
Talking to a couple of spuds fans, the hatred and bitterness against City and Pep for his dark arts, were off the scale.

 

[Pelegrinni]

I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.

City are the biggest small club in the world.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.

The point being is that just because United may have casual supporters throughout the world, how do they monetise them? They ain’t turning up for games or buying tat in the souvenir shop. TV money is where it’s at, City have qualified for the champions league every year since 2011. United, Liverpool, Arsenal. Spurs etc haven’t. They have also made the last 16 consistently since 2014 and also made the semis and finals 4 times in the last decade. Add that also winning the Premier league title 7 times since 2012. All that turns into extra air time on tv and prize money at the end of it. Then you have the sponsorship deals that come in because companies want to be associated with success. City’s ceo embarked on a strategy of signing deals with smaller sponsors but doing so in high quantity.

All this on the bottom line stacks up into money, standing still and believing that their clubs will always be some historical cash cow has been the mistakes made by teams that play in red. All the while City’s owners are constantly looking at how they can grow the club further. Keep an eye out for the biggest arena in Europe opening in December next to City’s ground and then a hotel opening up when the expanded North stand is opening up. City can’t possibly have bigger revenue than United though can they?

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.

Would you?
How fascinating.

Please return to base.

 

[Silva2021]

Has anyone heard the rumour of City threatening to release the audio of the Fernandez VAR f*** up at Old Trafford in January? It did seem to get brushed over when Howard Webb went on his media tour a month ago.

Whenever we get charged for something a rumour starts on here the club have dirt on our rivals that are going to be released.

Either not true or never happens, or perhaps waiting to do if get guilty (I’m not sure).

But I would expect nothing on this (don’t even know if it is anything) as 99% certain that is what will happen.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I say a quote over on the Caf where they are discussing the charges, one guy is talking about revenue and how we can be anywhere near matching their numbers, one point he made is that they have a worldwide fan base of millions where we proberbly have maybe 100k.

So lets think about that, 1 in every 2 City fans in the world attend every home game? Do they honestly believe the shit they come out with, the biggest issue they miss is that they can't let go of us being some little club. Like they have failed to recognise how we have transformed the team they have also failed to see what we are doing on a global basis in growing the club.

They, and the equally deluded Liverpool fans, have this bizarre view that our revenue can't be bigger than theirs, because they have "more fans".

Even if we assume they have more fans (and evidence from social media numbers tends to dispute that) they can't get it into their pea-sized brains that there is no correlation between the number of fans and revenue. Possibly there's a view that a large fan base might be attractive to sponsors but I'd love to see some quantitative evidence of that.

United have DXC on their sleeve, who are an IT Service Provider formed by a merger between CSC and HP. I can pretty well guarantee that united fans haven't been rushing to sign contracts with DXC, or buy Team Vkeeper for their laptops. And I'm equally sure that Standard Chartered don't rely on Liverpool fans' accounts to keep their business going.

For these sponsors it's about exposure. The PL and CL are two of the most watched sporting competitions on the planet. Getting that exposure at a CL Final is like buying a Superbowl ad. This season was be our 12th consecutive season in the CL and our 13th consecutive season of finishing in the top 4 in the PL. We've won the PL 7 times to date and have now won the CL.

Etihad, and our other key sponsors, must be delighted. Because that's why they pay for the exposure.

 

[M16 citeh]

I say a quote over on the Caf where they are discussing the charges, one guy is talking about revenue and how we can be anywhere near matching their numbers, one point he made is that they have a worldwide fan base of millions where we proberbly have maybe 100k.

So lets think about that, 1 in every 2 City fans in the world attend every home game? Do they honestly believe the shit they come out with, the biggest issue they miss is that they can't let go of us being some little club. Like they have failed to recognise how we have transformed the team they have also failed to see what we are doing on a global basis in growing the club.

There's 100k city fans in greater Manchester hahaha probs more than united. As for these arsenal fans they can fuck off with the humble act there all just jealous that we took their spot years ago

 

[marco]

The Propaganda machine has done its business, talking to a greek hotel owner yesterday, he commented how new City were as a football club, whereas manure were founded many years ago. also If people think of Manchester, the rags come to mind.
Talking to a couple of spuds fans, the hatred and bitterness against City and Pep for his dark arts, were off the scale.

i can only say from what ive heard from people around the world 'and i do travel a lot' every word on city is positive ive been aproached with people wanting to see my city tatoo, taxi drivers never stop talking about us, met a few Ukraine lads over in the states and we are their new adopted club as they have no football, never ever a bad word, is it this country that only stick the knife in?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.

So fucking what? Sponsors pay to be associated with success. What have united done on the football front since 2013?

 

[schfc6]

The Propaganda machine has done its business, talking to a greek hotel owner yesterday, he commented how new City were as a football club, whereas manure were founded many years ago. also If people think of Manchester, the rags come to mind.
Talking to a couple of spuds fans, the hatred and bitterness against City and Pep for his dark arts, were off the scale.

Spurs fans are the weirdest of the lot. They are obsessed. Not sure if it’s jealousy, jewish/arab thing or wether it’s the fact that they are brainwashed into accepting the status quo of football..

My old next door neighbour is a Spurs fan, his two best mates are City fans, he’s been to Maine Road more than he’s been to WHL. Yet, he’s obsessed with City. Quoting the likes of Harris and Delooney to me all the time.

 

[bennyboy]

It’s down to the racist view that “Arabs” are all the same.

Sheik Mansour can’t have a personal investment….

Etihad, Emirates & Qatar airlines were being accused by US airlines of being subsidised by state funding, no idea what’s wrong with that apart from disadvantaging US airlines. However, which is it?

The Emirates.

 

[bennyboy]

So fucking what? Sponsors pay to be associated with success. What have united done on the football front since 2013?

More than Arsenal.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

i can only say from what ive heard from people around the world 'and i do travel a lot' every word on city is positive ive been aproached with people wanting to see my city tatoo, taxi drivers never stop talking about us, met a few Ukraine lads over in the states and we are their new adopted club as they have no football, never ever a bad word, is it this country that only stick the knife in?

That's what I see as well. People get their opinions skewed by internet trolls and think everyone hates us when they don't. I still get get lots of "well at least you're not Man United" comments, even now, and "I love watching you play".

Having said that we need a stronger PR company to work on our image.

 

[Silva2021]

Didn’t know where to put this. But FFP changing with the wind in Europe.

I’d joke that they’ll come after us for inflating the Sterling fee if I didn’t think they might..

UEFA to introduce emergency rule blocking clubs from inflating transfer fees

The governing body's executive committee are set to vote on amendments to financial fair play rules during meeting next week and reports suggests a new proposal in wake of Juventus scandal could see an end to clubs selling players for more than the market says they are worth

www.mirror.co.uk

Surely this is based on inflated swap deals. Of which there have been some.

You buy x player worth £20 million of us for £60 millions and we’re buy x player worth £40 million for £80 million.

This makes a difference as on a 4 year contract you would have £20 million a year debt for £60 million in accounts all in 1 year.

Meaning a profit of £40 million, as opposed to £10 million.

The downside is the later years you have to keep doing it or eventually it catches up.

I think UEFA could put a deterrent in there to discourage or minimise, whether it would ever have teeth is debatable as would be tough to prove in most cases.

That said I agree UEFA should put it in there as it has been taken advantage of.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.

I watched the game at Green Bay (v Bayern) and was amazed at City’s numbers in the crowd. That was pre-threeple, pre pure Treble, and of course young fans around the world are hugely following Haaland and Grealish when United have no personalities in their team. I’d say we’re still way behind but rapidly closing the gap. SM engagement is pretty high too. Will we ever catch them ?…who fucking cares ! But the rags/scousers obsession with history, arrogance and lack of respect is not helping them. When you read Red Cafe or RAWK some of the stuff on there is “off the scale” stupid it’s like a meeting place for the fucking village idiots. Long may it continue.