PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Prestwich_Blue said:
They, and the equally deluded Liverpool fans, have this bizarre view that our revenue can't be bigger than theirs, because they have "more fans".

Even if we assume they have more fans (and evidence from social media numbers tends to dispute that) they can't get it into their pea-sized brains that there is no correlation between the number of fans and revenue. Possibly there's a view that a large fan base might be attractive to sponsors but I'd love to see some quantitative evidence of that.

United have DXC on their sleeve, who are an IT Service Provider formed by a merger between CSC and HP. I can pretty well guarantee that united fans haven't been rushing to sign contracts with DXC, or buy Team Vkeeper for their laptops. And I'm equally sure that Standard Chartered don't rely on Liverpool fans' accounts to keep their business going.

For these sponsors it's about exposure. The PL and CL are two of the most watched sporting competitions on the planet. Getting that exposure at a CL Final is like buying a Superbowl ad. This season was be our 12th consecutive season in the CL and our 13th consecutive season of finishing in the top 4 in the PL. We've won the PL 7 times to date and have now won the CL.

Etihad, and our other key sponsors, must be delighted. Because that's why they pay for the exposure.
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It's alleged that certain organised crime groups especially in Merseyside made very good use of Standard Charter
 
Fuzzy80 said:
Having a large fan base will be one factor as it will increase the exposure.

United v Liverpool will always attract good viewing figures for example worldwide.

I don’t think we have that just yet and if it was a 7th v 8th game, we would not get as many (or even a 1st v 2nd game with those 2 clubs I think more could watch). But that is not what is happening.

Success and the importance of the game we play in means that this year we must have played (and won) in the most viewed games.

City v Arsenal
City v United (FA Cup)
City v Real (CL semi)
City v Inter (CL final)

All my United/ Liverpool friends watched all of these games (probably hoping we lost).

But these are some of the biggest, most viewed games across the whole world this season.

The constant in that is City and also City winning, a sponsor would love to be associated with that.

The eyes of the footballing world have been on us this season.

To also take your view one step further (although not sure this is true anymore, I think they hate us with a passion).

As we a told our winning is hollow and no-one cares then our sponsors have all the exposure with no downside.

Where you speak about United fans not buying Team Viewer etc. just as they are sponsors. I can tell you my Dad would not buy any product associated with United (because he hates them). So if they where sponsored by Etihad and he wanted to go Abu Dhabi he would fly Emirates and take the hour commute.

Although he might be a unique case :-)
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I don’t think your dad is a unique case.
 
Jack Hackett said:
I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.
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But that's the mistake you & a lot of rival fans make when it comes to revenue from sponsorship. City constantly winning things makes them box office & every tv station wanting to show them. It's more commercially savvy to be associated with Mcfc than spending about a million on a TV ad that 90% of people will turn off at half time.
 
Another thing about fan bases, if anyone thinks that all the Liverpool, Untied, Arsenal and City fans in Africa and Asia are actually paying subscription fees to watch the PL I have a bridge to sell you, sure some actually do but the vast majority are watching on dodgy streams, they don't actually contribute to the revenue streams
 
bluealf said:
Of course not but it is obviously more than 100k and the aim that our owners have is to expand that whether we like it or not, over on Twitter it is a playground for fans from all around the world for all teams.

The best are the rag fans from Africa calling City fans from Manchester plastics :)

I have no idea how many fans we have globally but it will be way more than 100k, I am sure we would shatter that for the NW alone tbh
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Exactly, We had an estimated 200,000 at the parade last week, possibly more, so it blows that 100k myth right out of the water.

As for the last bit of your post which I've bolded, after getting back from Istanbul on the Sunday night I had the whole of the following week booked off work as myself, the other half, and our pet Springer were off to Lytham for a relaxing few days holiday in a caravan. We went early on the Monday afternoon, and I returned to Manchester by train to attend the parade. I got the train from Blackpool and with each stop more and more blues got on to the point that long before it got to Deansgate it was absolutely rammed. It was the same for the return journey.
 
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feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
The point being is that just because United may have casual supporters throughout the world, how do they monetise them? They ain’t turning up for games or buying tat in the souvenir shop.
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United even admitted in their accounts that it's difficult to monetise fans.
 
Fuzzy80 said:
Surely this is based on inflated swap deals. Of which there have been some.

You buy x player worth £20 million of us for £60 millions and we’re buy x player worth £40 million for £80 million.

This makes a difference as on a 4 year contract you would have £20 million a year debt for £60 million in accounts all in 1 year.

Meaning a profit of £40 million, as opposed to £10 million.

The downside is the later years you have to keep doing it or eventually it catches up.

I think UEFA could put a deterrent in there to discourage or minimise, whether it would ever have teeth is debatable as would be tough to prove in most cases.

That said I agree UEFA should put it in there as it has been taken advantage of.
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So just like sponsors, the cartel can dictate what a fair value transfer is
 
Ducado said:
Another thing about fan bases, if anyone thinks that all the Liverpool, Untied, Arsenal and City fans in Africa and Asia are actually paying subscription fees to watch the PL I have a bridge to sell you, sure some actually do but the vast majority are watching on dodgy streams, they don't actually contribute to the revenue streams
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Not only that, only a fraction of them will be buying genuine replica shirts - the vast majority will be buying snides where not a single penny ends up in the club coffers.

In fact, for all the pontificating that United fans do about having hundreds of millions of fans worldwide, their annual turnover is fucking piss poor. They should be turning over several billion if they have a fanbase as big as that.
 
Stockton Heath Blue said:
Remember Rat Boy's rant that City couldn't possibly have larger revenues than the biggest club in the world. As broken down by you above, it doesn't take a genius to work out why we surpassed the Rags from an income perspective.

One point to embellish on, as champions, I think we get a larger % share of the TV monies - "market pot" I think it's referred to???
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That’s correct, the more you progress in the big tournaments the more money you get. How could United be matching the same money by playing in the Europa league?

One point I didn’t outline which is another important factor in Citys success is the academy. They laughed at City building a state of the art academy and also a network of football clubs within the City Football Group to provide City with a pipeline of the best football talent. The majority don’t make it to the first team, however what City make in transfer fees in selling players on is another big difference in their bottom line. One glaring example is the £72 million United payed to Dortmund for Sancho, City made £11 million on it.

United and Liverpool haven’t been able to replicate this model within their academies, really they should be as it’s another big revenue stream. Instead they are lobbying for clubs like City to have the number of youth players on their books reduced.
 
TonyM said:
Was just about to say the same. I'd say Spurs fans hate us more than any red team. We stole their thunder a few years ago as we started our climb and they feel cheated.

There's a guy at work who is a lovely smart friendly man till you mention City. He's convinced that City are cheating at youth level with millions in brown paper bags going to kids, parents, agents etc. And he can quote all sorts of expert journalists. There's no point in me arguing with him. He's just filled with jealousy and hatred.

IMO the only way to combat this is to keep winning.
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Agreed. City winning everything is killing them.
You can’t argue with these people, their position is borderline insane but they have to get there and see that for themselves. One day they’ll realise, but it will be a slow process with the media drip-feeding the hate.
 
remember arthur mann said:
The Propaganda machine has done its business, talking to a greek hotel owner yesterday, he commented how new City were as a football club, whereas manure were founded many years ago. also If people think of Manchester, the rags come to mind.
Talking to a couple of spuds fans, the hatred and bitterness against City and Pep for his dark arts, were off the scale.
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Honestly, who cares?

The rags at their peak were hated by everyone (and still are).

It means they're jealous and can't deal with our success.

It's a badge of honor, smile and wear it with pride!!
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
That’s correct, the more you progress in the big tournaments the more money you get. How could United be matching the same money by playing in the Europa league?

One point I didn’t outline which is another important factor in Citys success is the academy. They laughed at City building a state of the art academy and also a network of football clubs within the City Football Group to provide City with a pipeline of the best football talent. The majority don’t make it to the first team, however what City make in transfer fees in selling players on is another big difference in their bottom line. One glaring example is the £72 million United payed to Dortmund for Sancho, City made £11 million on it.

United and Liverpool haven’t been able to replicate this model within their academies, really they should be as it’s another big revenue stream. Instead they are lobbying for clubs like City to have the number of youth players on their books reduced.
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I would imagine New York City are a major contributor to CFGs revenue streams
 
foggy1974 said:
Don't you mean Joe Lewis/Enic
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I stand corrected.

He's a bit of a mystery isn't he?

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Joe Lewis seen at a Tottenham game with Daniel Levy

Rarely seen watching spuds, given the shite footy that's hardly surprising.
 
foggy1974 said:
I would imagine New York City are a major contributor to CFGs revenue streams
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The location of the club playing in New York and also being in the MLS as a growing market. A club founded in 2015 has already won an MLS, they are also looking at building a new stadium. Messi rocking up to the MLS will lead to indirect boost to New York City’s bottom line.
 
Jack Hackett said:
I‘ve no idea how many fans City have worldwide but whatever the number, I’d find it difficult to believe it was more than Man Utd’s global fan base.
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How the fuck you stay on this forum I have no idea....why the fuck are you still here?
 
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