Cricket Thread

[domalino]

Duckett on being asked the question: "Frustrated at seeing three of you go similarly in quick succession?:"

"I'm not sure how to answer that, I'm surprised about the question. We've played positive cricket for 12 months and we're certainly not going to change. If we get close or a lead, we're certainly in this game."

There’s nothing actually positive about trying to slog pull/hook a load of short balls when Australia have set up to catch you off the pull/hook.

They played really positively before Lyon went off, when they were scoring 5 an over just building their innings.

The more I hear England players talk about Bazball the less I believe in it.

It was supposed to be modern players playing their natural, T20 influenced games without feeling bullied into playing old fashioned test cricket.

But we seem to have ended up with players thinking that taking stupid shots on at every possible moment is positive, or premeditating reverse sweeps for shock value or declaring early just because it’s traditionally the wrong thing to do.

It’s the definition of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

 

[Ajm1985]

Michael Vaughan is a miserable Yorkshire ****. It's like the old guard ( him) cannot accept the new way England play. Yes it is risky and yes it cost a few wickets today but plenty of runs were added in the process and the team are now in a solid position to go after the Aussies. I hope they make this twat eat his words.

Duckett on being asked the question: "Frustrated at seeing three of you go similarly in quick succession?:"

"I'm not sure how to answer that, I'm surprised about the question. We've played positive cricket for 12 months and we're certainly not going to change. If we get close or a lead, we're certainly in this game."

Woah there, plenty of runs weren't added when they were dicking about with the bouncers. They just needed to see out the spell - it isn't a criticism of their overall approach, they can just play the opportunity. Root, especially, is better than what he did and didn't play with his head. Stokes is the biggest proponent of the aggressive approach and he still read the situation.

 

[Blue Tooth]

There’s nothing actually positive about trying to slog pull/hook a load of short balls when Australia have set up to catch you off the pull/hook.

Except when boundaries are scored. I like the approach. It has worked up until now. I suspect it will continue to do so. I fancy the Aussies will get the run around tomorrow.

 

[Blue Tooth]

Woah there, plenty of runs weren't added when they were dicking about with the bouncers. They just needed to see out the spell - it isn't a criticism of their overall approach, they can just play the opportunity. Root, especially, is better than what he did and didn't play with his head. Stokes is the biggest proponent of the aggressive approach and he still read the situation.

Stokes pretty much always has a settling in spell. Let's see how it pans out tomorrow. The game has not been lost and the criticism is too early for me. Plus, Vaughan is a c..t

 

[Gabriel]

There’s nothing actually positive about trying to slog pull/hook a load of short balls when Australia have set up to catch you off the pull/hook.

They played really positively before Lyon went off, when they were scoring 5 an over just building their innings.

I think the England players are so programmed that they just repeat the same answer to any question:

'What did you make of the weather out there?'

"We've been playing positive cricket for 12 months now and we're certainly not going to change because of the weather."

 

[BringBackSwales]

There are 2 ways of looking at England’s approach. Duckett being interviewed came over as very stubborn/arrogant, trotting the party line of how I/we play. However maybe England actually get higher scores this way - certainly the pre Bazball England (that used to play like frightened rabbits pushing nervously for singles and letting bowlers get on top of them) used to get lower scores so maybe we have to accept we get better scores playing this way? Maybe not Joe Root though??

 

[discopop]

Quite like Jim and it's pleasing to hear other perspectives and commentators who know something about the opponent.

He used to be fine but to me comes across badly at the moment maybe he just hates “bazball” whereas Glen McGrath is a very open, honest listen.

 

[Postman Pep]

Quite like Jim and it's pleasing to hear other perspectives and commentators who know something about the opponent.

I like Jim too. I like his commentary style and the way he says Khawaaaja and Baaazball not to mention his shipping forecast intros.
I suppose the point is when they're on top any Aussie voice becomes irritating.

 

[Gabriel]

He used to be fine but to me comes across badly at the moment maybe he just hates “bazball” whereas Glen McGrath is a very open, honest listen.

I think a lot of Australians were rather peeved listening to the English commentators, particularly Vaughan, going on incessantly about 'Bazball' at Edgbaston and how Australia were in for a big surprise. That was a bit disrespectful to the number one side in the world and Maxwell took umbrage.

 

[waspish]

Michael Vaughan is a miserable Yorkshire ****. It's like the old guard ( him) cannot accept the new way England play. Yes it is risky and yes it cost a few wickets today but plenty of runs were added in the process and the team are now in a solid position to go after the Aussies. I hope they make the twat eat his words.

Duckett on being asked the question: "Frustrated at seeing three of you go similarly in quick succession?:"

"I'm not sure how to answer that, I'm surprised about the question. We've played positive cricket for 12 months and we're certainly not going to change. If we get close or a lead, we're certainly in this game."

Vaughan ask the wrong question he should of asked him you saw how your captain played when he came in not hooking every ball not taking risks but he wants you to play a shot on 98 that % isn’t in your favour!?

 

[Gabriel]

I like Jim too. I like his commentary style and the way he says Khawaaaja and Baaazball not to mention his shipping forecast intros.
I suppose the point is when they're on top any Aussie voice becomes irritating.

Yes, I think that is probably the case. I'm sure Australians would be irked listening to Agnew, Tuffnell, and Vaughan today. Variety is the spice of life.

 

[domalino]

Except when boundaries are scored. I like the approach. It has worked up until now. I suspect it will continue to do so. I fancy the Aussies will get the run around tomorrow.

No it’s not clever even when you score boundaries because the whole point of that tactic is that you’ll ship half a dozen boundaries but get a wicket - it’s frequently referred to as “buying a wicket” because it’ll cost you 30-40 runs but it gets the wicket.


The smart thing to do was ease off for 10 mins and Australia would have given up - which is exactly what Stokes did when he got in.

3 overs after he came in the Aussies realised he wasn’t going to take the bait and reverted to a normal field and bowling tactics.

And EVERYONE knew the Aussies couldn’t keep that tactic up for long when Lyon is injured because no fast bowler can bowl short over after over without getting knackered, at which point they’ll start making mistakes and we could have smashed them round the park for the last hour of play and not only would we have 2 or 3 more wickets in hand but have more runs on the board too.

If they’d done that they’d be roughly 350/2 and the world would be singing the praises of Bazball, saviours of test cricket.

 

[Blue Tooth]

Vaughan ask the wrong question he should of asked him you saw how your captain played when he came in not hooking every ball not taking risks but he wants you to play a shot on 98 that % isn’t in your favour!?

It is always the wrong shot when you are out. If he smashes a six it is brilliant.

I think Duckett was just saying, 'That's my game and I am ok with it'..and not happy to be out 2 short of a 100...both can exist side by side.

I think England are in a great position considering where they were last night. Plenty to play for. I think Stokes and Brook can take the game to Australia tomorrow.

 

[Postman Pep]

Yes, I think that is probably the case. I'm sure Australians would be irked listening to Agnew, Tuffnell, and Vaughan today. Variety is the spice of life.

Sure is. I will make one exception when it comes to Mel Jones on Sky .... her voice irritates me all of the time.

 

[Blue Tooth]

No it’s not clever even when you score boundaries because the whole point of that tactic is that you’ll ship half a dozen boundaries but get a wicket.


The smart thing to do was ease off for 10 mins and Australia would have given up - which is exactly what Stokes did when he got in.

3 overs after he came in the Aussies realised he wasn’t going to take the bait and reverted to a normal field and bowling tactics.

And EVERYONE knew the Aussies couldn’t keep that tactic up for long when Lyon is injured because no fast bowler can bowl short over after over without getting knackered, at which point they’ll start making mistakes and we could have smashed them round the park for the last hour of play and not only would we have 2 or 3 more wickets in hand but have more runs on the board too.

And if they’d done that they’d be roughly 350/2 and the world would be singing the praises of Bazball, saviours of test cricket.

If my aunty had balls.....Plenty of time left to smash them all over the park.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

It's in the balance. Absolutely on a knife edge.

 

[waspish]

It is always the wrong shot when you are out. If he smashes a six it is brilliant.

I think Duckett was just saying, 'That's my game and I am ok with it'..and not happy to be out 2 short of a 100...both can exist side by side.

I think England are in a great position considering where they were last night. Plenty to play for. I think Stokes and Brook can take the game to Australia tomorrow.

Yeah just listened to him now looks not bothered one bit he got out for 98 saying if he didn’t play like this he probably got out being cautious

 

[Ajm1985]

Stokes pretty much always has a settling in spell. Let's see how it pans out tomorrow. The game has not been lost and the criticism is too early for me. Plus, Vaughan is a c..t

Not sure that's been the case with Stokes for the past year, he tends to be aggressive and run down the pitch. I agree it hasn't been lost and would have taken the current situation at the start of today! Like I said though, no shame or harm in reading the situation and not playing into the most painfully obvious, last-ditch, trap.

 

[Gabriel]

The Australians have shown that they can be flexible with their tactics, but England seem to have one tactic and I'm not sure that will be enough across the series. As for this Test, it might be decided by Lyon's calf. Intriguing contest.

 

[Gabriel]

Sure is. I will make one exception when it comes to Mel Jones on Sky .... her voice irritates me all of the time.

Only have access to TMS so spared that.