Towns & Cities that are F----d.

Middlesbrough. Was there in 02/3 ish. (We lost 3-1, the Elk scored). When we exited the train station we were genuinely aghast that folk lived there. It almost made Glasgow look salubrious.
When I went there 50 years ago you could’t see anything for a chemical haze hanging over the town.
 
I've heard, on another forum that downtown San Francisco is chocked with weirdos and homeless . Big stores pulling out, Westfield, H&M, Nordstrom all leaving apparently.
Perhaps fogblue can enlighten us.

 
Both deadhead towns (technically cities as you rightly say). They've spent a bit of money on regenerating Donny, with the wool market development etc, some good eateries in there and within the proximity. However, it is a traveller town which brings its own issues, like with nearby Barnsley. Always cause trouble at the boxing shows I attend around there, the drink is usually the common denominator.

I have visited Doncaster a few times to go out for dinner, it's one of those typical Yorkshire drinking towns, so even the places that have had a facelift are full of the bootcut jeans wearing fellas and fishwives in tow, we've had a shit time each time we've been, space invading mouth breathers all over you in the bars and restaurants. No facelift will ever breed any class into areas like that, unfortunately.

I used to have a few building sites I helped manage in Rotherham, the purple hair brigade with loads of kids not in school was par for the course there. Seen one you've seen them all. Each development was forever being vandalised and tools nicked if they weren't nailed down. The type of place where someone will take a workman's trowel into the pub and try to flog it.
To be fair, apart from the locals, Barnsley isnt that bad, but a lot of the surrounding villages, particularly to the North and East are rough as. The other side towards the pennines, is fairly up market with villages like Cawthorne, Silkstone (the bit where Johnny Stones was brought up) and towards Holmfirth.
 
To be fair, apart from the locals, Barnsley isnt that bad, but a lot of the surrounding villages, particularly to the North and East are rough as. The other side towards the pennines, is fairly up market with villages like Cawthorne, Silkstone (the bit where Johnny Stones was brought up) and towards Holmfirth.

I was stuck working around the Holmfirth area for about a year, not my kind of gig. Country bumpkins, local place for local people sort of place. Very anti anything Manchester, other than the odd armchair United fan, but they've never been. Same for Leeds, 'why would we go there, they're city folk'. Met too many people of this ilk for it to be a coincidence, I couldn't live round there if it was free.
 
I was stuck working around the Holmfirth area for about a year, not my kind of gig. Country bumpkins, local place for local people sort of place. Very anti anything Manchester, other than the odd armchair United fan, but they've never been. Same for Leeds, 'why would we go there, they're city folk'. Met too many people of this ilk for it to be a coincidence, I couldn't live round there if it was free.


Been there with the wife twice and it smells damp like it's rotting. I know it sounds stupid but it really does :)
 
Been there with the wife twice and it smells damp like it's rotting. I know it sounds stupid but it really does :)

I've lived round there mate and can agree. Shitehole of a fucking place living in a time warp. Roads and houses that haven't been developed since horse and cart were used.
 
I've lived round there mate and can agree. Shitehole of a fucking place living in a time warp. Roads and houses that haven't been developed since horse and cart were used.

It's lovely IMHO when you get out of the town centre into the suburbs, has it always smelled so bad mate?
 
I was stuck working around the Holmfirth area for about a year, not my kind of gig. Country bumpkins, local place for local people sort of place. Very anti anything Manchester, other than the odd armchair United fan, but they've never been. Same for Leeds, 'why would we go there, they're city folk'. Met too many people of this ilk for it to be a coincidence, I couldn't live round there if it was free.
Lol, I know what you mean, but its like that anywhere generally in the countryside, its not quite "The Hills Have Eyes". As regards the anti Manchester thing, ive not really experienced that unless you go on purely about football in which case, mention you're a City fan and you'll get bitterness in spades.
 
When we lived in Oldham we'd go up that area to escape sometimes in the hills, lovely as long as you didn't need to converse with any locals.

I get that. I have been out walking and running around some of the reservoirs there and further towards the Peak District. You're not gonna get much back off the locals by way of friendly conversation.
 
I was stuck working around the Holmfirth area for about a year, not my kind of gig. Country bumpkins, local place for local people sort of place. Very anti anything Manchester, other than the odd armchair United fan, but they've never been. Same for Leeds, 'why would we go there, they're city folk'. Met too many people of this ilk for it to be a coincidence, I couldn't live round there if it was free.
In fairness, hardly a town that's 'f**ked'. I quite like the place but, then again, I live in Glossop where the locals greet each other with high sixes.
 
I've heard, on another forum that downtown San Francisco is chocked with weirdos and homeless . Big stores pulling out, Westfield, H&M, Nordstrom all leaving apparently.
Perhaps fogblue can enlighten us.


The Westfield Mall always sucked. Right on the border of a transitional area (not far from the Civic Center and the Tenderloin mentioned in the video). Right near the Four Seasons which I have said and thought for years was an absolutely stupid place for a nice hotel. Not surprising that in a town where online shopping is all the rage already AND given its location AND given COVID has created a "hollowing out" as so many firms here are hybrid or fully-remote who used to be downtown that the mall is failing. I should note that unlike NYC, Chicago, DC and number of other major metros, SF's high-rise office area is not intermingled with residential/shopping/restaurants the same way, which means once the FiDi (Financial District) emptied out post-COVID, it's been very hard to re-create the need for people to come back.

All that said . . . yes, the city has some problems that COVID has made worse. If left unchecked it will create a secular decline here that could be scary (though since I'm nearing the end of my career, I can leave). But the areas of the city outside of the CC/Tenderloin and surrounds remain generally clean and generally safe as they have been for a long while. So come visit!
 

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