The Scottish Politics thread

[Saddleworth2]

It’s a bit of a fantasy to believe that Scotland could just walk away from honouring a share of outstanding UK debt without detrimentally affecting its perception across the bond markets,

I don’t believe that is being suggested.

 

[Saddleworth2]

This is particularly true given the structure of Scotland’s tax revenues, which are disproportionately reliant on oil & gas,

Not according to GERs there not.

 

[Coatigan]

Supposing, just supposing Scotland did vote for independence, where would you all stand on the Monarchy.

It would probably be the bottom of the list on the agenda.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Not according to GERs there not.

If you assume that Scotland receives a geographical share of North Sea Revenues, which the SNP would in the event of independence, then this element (£3.464bn) would in 2021-22 account for 4.7% of total tax revenue.

For the UK it would have been less than 0.4% of tax revenues in the same year.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Bit serious in here, how’s the Krankies doing?

 

[When The Levee Breaks]

BBC News - Orkney council to look at proposals to become territory of Norway https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-66066448

The Orkney Islands have had enough of the SNP, by the sounds of it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

BBC News - Orkney council to look at proposals to become territory of Norway https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-66066448

The Orkney Islands have had enough of the SNP, by the sounds of it.

I read that as them having had enough of the whole UK shitshow and if you are looking around for somewhere better to align with the country with the highest sovereign wealth fund in Europe would look a better bet

 

[bluethrunthru]

Shame - I suppose trying to hold this slippery lot to account takes it out of you though

 

[domalino]

Shame - I suppose trying to hold this slippery lot to account takes it out of you though

Presumably she'll go up to Holyrood and be leader of the SNP in 2 years.

 

[Postman Pep]

 

[bluethrunthru]

 

[Brewster's millions]

‘People in my constituency being constantly harmed by the UK government.’

Presumably they harm them by keeping public spending in Scotland at a much higher level than would be in the case with independence?

What a load of horseshit. But anything to distract from the SNP’s horrendous record in government I suppose.

 

[mexico1970]

‘People in my constituency being constantly harmed by the UK government.’

Presumably they harm them by keeping public spending in Scotland at a much higher level than would be in the case with independence?

What a load of horseshit. But anything to distract from the SNP’s horrendous record in government I suppose.

She has tried to make herself look like a martyr and failed, looks like if she did move to the SNP she'd fit right in.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Very sad news for Scottish and UK politics. A brilliant politician and one of the few in that cess pit able to hold a socialist mirror up to 'labour'.

 

[ganganvince]

https://www.itv.com/news/2023-07-07/scottish-government-calls-for-drug-possession-to-be-legal

 

[Cassandra]

It seems to me that the wish for independence is the only thing that holds the SNP together. There seems to be a broad spectrum of more general political ideologies within it. With Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon they have tended to follow relatively left wing policies, but that seems to be shifting to the right a bit under Humza Yousaf.
If ,independence is ever achieved I would expect the SNP to disintegrate and we would have just the Scottish equivalent of the parties in England.

 

[Koniec]

It seems to me that the wish for independence is the only thing that holds the SNP together. There seems to be a broad spectrum of more general political ideologies within it. With Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon they have tended to follow relatively left wing policies, but that seems to be shifting to the right a bit under Humza Yousaf.
If ,independence is ever achieved I would expect the SNP to disintegrate and we would have just the Scottish equivalent of the parties in England.

The snp are for many a means to an end. When scotland becomes independent the snp will fragment and become irrelevant.

 

[Saddleworth2]

It seems to me that the wish for independence is the only thing that holds the SNP together. There seems to be a broad spectrum of more general political ideologies within it. With Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon they have tended to follow relatively left wing policies, but that seems to be shifting to the right a bit under Humza Yousaf.
If ,independence is ever achieved I would expect the SNP to disintegrate and we would have just the Scottish equivalent of the parties in England.

Why would they disintegrate? Would they not just become a Center left party?

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It seems to me that the wish for independence is the only thing that holds the SNP together. There seems to be a broad spectrum of more general political ideologies within it. With Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon they have tended to follow relatively left wing policies, but that seems to be shifting to the right a bit under Humza Yousaf.
If ,independence is ever achieved I would expect the SNP to disintegrate and we would have just the Scottish equivalent of the parties in England.

The country isn’t in a good place and relies on handouts from Westminster where, under the Tories, they weren‘t going to get.

Can’t blame anybody wanting to be independent and wanting to align with Europe, it‘s a no-brainer.

 

[Cassandra]

Why would they disintegrate? Would they not just become a Center left party?

Some of the “mood music” that has come out since the stepping down of Nicola Sturgeon makes me think that they are not as coherent as they seemed previously. But meantime they seem to be the only prospect for independence in the foreseeable future.