The Labour Party

There's a lot of 'managerial' stuff that can be done at modest or no cost. It won't set the world on fire, but it will bring about improvements.

The underlying problem is that our trade with our most important partners has been devastated - destroying many small and medium-sized businesses along the way - and Labour is only proposing to tinker around the edges and will not grasp the nettle. The country can only survive on delusion for so long.
 
Well
bluenova said:
Pretty sure New Labour were also "business as usual", but actually did quite a lot for education and the NHS, with large increases in education spending, and significant reductions in NHS waiting lists. There were large drops in child and pensioner poverty. The Tories had spent years taking apart any low wage protections, but the Minimum Wage is now so well established that even the Tories compete to increase it.

Business as usual is exactly what the Tories want us to think - just because Labour is centre-left, rather than hard left, it's ridiculous to suggest they won't be a lot better for the poorer/more vulnerable members of society than the Tories.
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Well time will obviously tell. We are now operating in a different environment since they were last in power.
Labour have already said they cannot commit to more spending on the NHS and as anyone who ever uses it there are massive problems.
Trying to bring changes to a workforce that is the second biggest employer in the world after the Chinese Army and is so set in its ways is going to be a mammoth task.
 
The blue phantom said:
It's not a difficult question though is it, Simple Yes or No. I mean mines a No for what it's worth.
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Who would I vote for, I don’t want to sound like a politician but I will genuinely listen to all the policies nearer the time.
I won’t vote Green, Liberal or Independent..
I am at an age where none of them can do me real damage and financially I will be better off under Labour particularly if they hold their word on things like Council Tax.
It will be something like animal rights, very close to my heart, dare I say control of immigration, without offending, or law and order that will swing me to either Labour or Conservative.
What will definitely put me off a Party if they put someone like Angela Rayner on and she shouts down those nasty Tories as soon as they start to say something.
I don’t want mob rule and I am quite capable of making my own mind up Thankyou.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
This ‘All the same‘ is wearing thin. So, you believe that Labour, or any of the other major parties, will act like the recent Tory party has?

The Tories will be remembered for lies, cronyism, parties, wrecking the economy, COVID deaths, and so much more. They’re not all the same and I’d like to think that other MPs would act with honesty and integrity, something the Tories just do not possess, the self-serving cunts.

As for continuing to support their way of doing business, people are either mad or are making something out of it. You know which that is.
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You see you cannot get your points over without reverting to foul language.
Don’t you think words like self serving cunts has a bit of a mob rule about it.
There will be a lot of floating voters that will need to be convinced that Labour deserve a chance and rhetoric like Tory Scum, cunts etc just sows the seed of doubt in voters minds.
You’re the Tories best friend in an Election Campaign
 
halfmist said:
Well
Well time will obviously tell. We are now operating in a different environment since they were last in power.
Labour have already said they cannot commit to more spending on the NHS and as anyone who ever uses it there are massive problems.
Trying to bring changes to a workforce that is the second biggest employer in the world after the Chinese Army and is so set in its ways is going to be a mammoth task.
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But that's a completely different argument to the one I replied to.

You were suggesting the Tories and Labour were the same, and suggested they wouldn't help the "working classes" (not sure that's a particularly useful term these days, but assume you mean those on lower incomes etc.)

That's totally different to being constrained financially (although Starmer has said recently "Yes, money is part of the answer and the NHS is always better funded under Labour). Under Blair, who many dismiss as Thatcher Lite, Labour clearly prioritised making a difference to people's everyday lives. After 13 years of Tory government, it's hard to list any real achievements, or even any underlying philosophy, beyond protecting the very wealthy, and staying in power.
 
If you think the very wealthy will not exist under a Labour Government ..they will.
The NHS is a bottomless pit, it will always demand more funds.
I am just not sure where the money is coming from to do anything radical and potential voters will want more than “we can’t do any worse than the last lot”
 
halfmist said:
If you think the very wealthy will not exist under a Labour Government ..they will.
The NHS is a bottomless pit, it will always demand more funds.
I am just not sure where the money is coming from to do anything radical and potential voters will want more than “we can’t do any worse than the last lot”
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Are you not rich enough to be able to afford Bupa?
 
The next general election in my opinion will be the lowest ever turn out. Nothing between Tory and Labour that I can see
 
halfmist said:
You see you cannot get your points over without reverting to foul language.
Don’t you think words like self serving cunts has a bit of a mob rule about it.
There will be a lot of floating voters that will need to be convinced that Labour deserve a chance and rhetoric like Tory Scum, cunts etc just sows the seed of doubt in voters minds.
You’re the Tories best friend in an Election Campaign
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Thanks for using the get out clause and confirming your continued intention.

By the way, I don’t give a fuck who you vote for but now I know what your tendency is then at least I know now to debate it with you.
 
Just carry on
The Future’s Blue! said:
Thanks for using the get out clause and confirming your continued intention.

By the way, I don’t give a fuck who you vote for but now I know what your tendency is then at least I know now to debate it with you.
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Great you don’t care about my voting intentions, I would be more concerned if you did care.
Will you be volunteering to do door to door canvassing at the next Election, just curious
 
halfmist said:
Who would I vote for, I don’t want to sound like a politician but I will genuinely listen to all the policies nearer the time.
I won’t vote Green, Liberal or Independent..
I am at an age where none of them can do me real damage and financially I will be better off under Labour particularly if they hold their word on things like Council Tax.
It will be something like animal rights, very close to my heart, dare I say control of immigration, without offending, or law and order that will swing me to either Labour or Conservative.
What will definitely put me off a Party if they put someone like Angela Rayner on and she shouts down those nasty Tories as soon as they start to say something.
I don’t want mob rule and I am quite capable of making my own mind up Thankyou.
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Well that same Angela Rayner shouted down Hunt the **** for his support of Fox Hunting when she called him out. Borris, May all of them vocal about their support for dogs ripping fuck out of a Fox yet Labour put the ban in place. So I guess that animal rights which is close to your heart surely couldn't of allowed you to vote for those Two Tory clowns.
 
The blue phantom said:
Well that same Angela Rayner shouted down Hunt the **** for his support of Fox Hunting when she called him out. Borris, May all of them vocal about their support for dogs ripping fuck out of a Fox yet Labour put the ban in place. So I guess that animal rights which is close to your heart surely couldn't of allowed you to vote for those Two Tory clowns.
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At the risk of repeating myself I will look at all the issues, add weight to those that are close to my heart and then make a decision which is what I assume a lot will do . I have never worked n the principle over my dead body
 
halfmist said:
Just carry on
Great you don’t care about my voting intentions, I would be more concerned if you did care.
Will you be volunteering to do door to door canvassing at the next Election, just curious
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Not at all, why would I need to. My only question was WRT your continued obfuscation of what your intentions.

It’s not very good trying to have a chat on a forum as you don’t get the full picture but at a guess I’d suggest you are a Tory voter who is feeling a little insecure in your intention to carry on regardless and are scoping ways to round your thoughts in the affirmative.

Like I say, I have no issue with who people want to vote for, what I don’t get is how some can’t be straight when taking about these things. If you want to carry on voting Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, whoever, it doesn’t matter, being honest in why you are, is.

Only in my opinion, obviously, and that’s why I’m upfront with my vote and why. ‘Whataboutery‘ and ‘All the sameism’ are just deflection tactics for those conflicted.
 
Trojan1962 said:
The next general election in my opinion will be the lowest ever turn out. Nothing between Tory and Labour that I can see
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As you will see from the responses your not allowed to have an opinion that differs from the same old faces…..that’s why a lot don’t bother posting
 
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