Rishi Sunak

[bluethrunthru]

man of the people

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

man of the people

One in 20 pay IHT. HMRC data for 2019-20 shows that just 3.76% of all UK deaths resulted in an IHT charge with most of the people who had to pay dying with assets valued at more than £1m.

The gvmt trousers c£7b per year from this tax on the wealthiest.

How would they make up the shortfall?

Much fairer to increase the IHT threshold every year but they’ve already recently frozen the IHT limit for years to come.

They are making it up as they go along and laying as many turds on the doorsteps of ordinary people as they can before they get fucked off.

 

[bluethrunthru]

One in 20 pay IHT. HMRC data for 2019-20 shows that just 3.76% of all UK deaths resulted in an IHT charge with most of the people who had to pay dying with assets valued at more than £1m.

The gvmt trousers c£7b per year from this tax on the wealthiest.

How would they make up the shortfall?

Much fairer to increase the IHT threshold every year but they’ve already recently frozen the IHT limit for years to come.

They are making it up as they go along and laying as many turds on the doorsteps of ordinary people as they can before they get fucked off.

Looking forward to how they will sell this as a positive in red wall seats - lets all go over to GeeBeeBees to see what 30p Lee thinks - we know Mogg will back it

 

[Vic]

Funny how all those wanting to have a dig about UK support for Ukraine don’t do it in the Ukraine thread, hoping they can get their cheap shots in here where no one will notice them.

Just think how much could have gone into the NHS if we'd not funded a war. Now that's not saying we should not have supported Ukraine, but we wouldn't have spent it on health and social care because of course we don't have a magic money tree.

 

[Vic]

Best ignored.

This forum is an echo chamber, driven by a handful of posters who make decent points sometimes where criticism is warranted but then get a bit silly, as can be seen by the last page or so re Ukraine.

So a Tory comes on to deflect from the mess the Tories have inflicted on Britain by saying they've helped Ukraine and you wonder that there's an echo chamber saying "Stop using a foreign war as an excuse for being shit at everything else".

 

[NPBlue]

It's going to be interesting seeing the messages on Johnsons phone now the cabinet office have said they know the password.

An enquiry into the government handling of the pandemic has brought about 6 months of legal wranglings about messages on the Prime Ministers phone being made available to them, and the phone in question was taken off him in 2021.

What secrets will that phone disclose?

Will Johnsons motives for evading his security team and flying off to Italy to be a guest of a KGB agent hosting a party in Italy be revealed?

Will it reveal the real reason he suppressed the report into Russian interference about the referendum?

Will it reveal why Priti Patel travelled to Israel as Foreign Secretary without telling anyone?

Will it reveal the truth why covid infected people were returned to nursing homes?

Will it reveal the truth about why billions was spent on track and trace during the pandemic which didn't work?

Who knows, but the tories have spent 6 months, and a lot tax payers money, trying to suppress the messages on Johnsons phone being made available to the enquiry, with the support of Sunak.

It seems to me they are trying to hide some unpallatable truths.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

It's going to be interesting seeing the messages on Johnsons phone now the cabinet office have said they know the password.

An enquiry into the government handling of the pandemic has brought about 6 months of legal wranglings about messages on the Prime Ministers phone being made available to them, and the phone in question was taken off him in 2021.

What secrets will that phone disclose?

Will Johnsons motives for evading his security team and flying off to Italy to be a guest of a KGB agent hosting a party in Italy be revealed?

Will it reveal the real reason he suppressed the report into Russian interference about the referendum?

Will it reveal why Priti Patel travelled to Israel as Foreign Secretary without telling anyone?

Will it reveal the truth why covid infected people were returned to nursing homes?

Will it reveal the truth about why billions was spent on track and trace during the pandemic which didn't work?

Who knows, but the tories have spent 6 months, and a lot tax payers money, trying to suppress the messages on Johnsons phone being made available to the enquiry, with the support of Sunak.

It seems to me they are trying to hide some unpalatable truths.

I wonder if Berlusconi and George Clooney, maybe with a load of women, are in some pictures with Johnson from that party in Italy?

 

[Vic]

It's going to be interesting seeing the messages on Johnsons phone now the cabinet office have said they know the password.

An enquiry into the government handling of the pandemic has brought about 6 months of legal wranglings about messages on the Prime Ministers phone being made available to them, and the phone in question was taken off him in 2021.

What secrets will that phone disclose?

Will Johnsons motives for evading his security team and flying off to Italy to be a guest of a KGB agent hosting a party in Italy be revealed?

Will it reveal the real reason he suppressed the report into Russian interference about the referendum?

Will it reveal why Priti Patel travelled to Israel as Foreign Secretary without telling anyone?

Will it reveal the truth why covid infected people were returned to nursing homes?

Will it reveal the truth about why billions was spent on track and trace during the pandemic which didn't work?

Who knows, but the tories have spent 6 months, and a lot tax payers money, trying to suppress the messages on Johnsons phone being made available to the enquiry, with the support of Sunak.

It seems to me they are trying to hide some unpallatable truths.

All that on one phone and no record anywhere else?

And many of those aren't covid relevant. What could the inquiry do if there was some revelation about national security?*

"Unnamed former prime minister was a Russian agent (and it's not Harold Wilson)"

* Serious question

 

[blueinsa]

So a Tory comes on to deflect from the mess the Tories have inflicted on Britain by saying they've helped Ukraine and you wonder that there's an echo chamber saying "Stop using a foreign war as an excuse for being shit at everything else".

A photo was posted.

I commented on the photo and narrative on here regarding it Vic.

Nothing more.

 

[Vic]

This was the post - not perhaps from a Tory - that started it.

Not sure about that. This government have done very little well… almost nothing well… but they eve been excellent around the invasion of Ukraine.

Maybe we are a diminished entity when Canada wants to buy whisky from us but we aren’t when it comes to this. The Ukrainian army has been coming here to train to fight Russia and we are up there with providing them with the most arms in Europe.

If this govt had run it’s own country with the quality they’ve helped out Ukraine, they’d have been a great govt. Zelensky has been very impressed with the aid they’ve received from us.

I'm cynical enough to think Johnson saw support for Ukraine as a proxy Falklands, rather than a moral duty, but the echo chamber here isn't about to let suppprt for a foreign war distract from the domestic business in hand.

 

[Koniec]

This was the post - not perhaps from a Tory - that started it.


I'm cynical enough to think Johnson saw support for Ukraine as a proxy Falklands, rather than a moral duty, but the echo chamber here isn't about to let suppprt for a foreign war distract from the domestic business in hand.

Johnston is just wanting to ape his man crush Churchill so I tend to agree with the Falkland bit. Lucky for Ukrainians he’s gone as we know how Winston ultimately abandoned his Eastern Euro allies in favour of the Russians.

 

[west didsblue]

Funny how all those wanting to have a dig about UK support for Ukraine don’t do it in the Ukraine thread, hoping they can get their cheap shots in here where no one will notice them.

You do realise it’s possible to fully support the government’s backing of Ukraine whilst questioning the motivation? The Ukraine thread is not on the political forum and would not be the right place to discuss that aspect. If you actually believe personal self interest has not played a part in both Johnson’s and Sunak’s motivation to help Ukraine then you’re deluding yourself. Both of them have put themselves and their backers ahead of what’s best for Britain in everything else. It’s just that this time the UK’s national interest for once coincides with their own self interest, and that’s to provide the level of support to Ukraine that we’re doing.

 

[old blue]

You do realise it’s possible to fully support the government’s backing of Ukraine whilst questioning the motivation? The Ukraine thread is not on the political forum and would not be the right place to discuss that aspect. If you actually believe personal self interest has not played a part in both Johnson’s and Sunak’s motivation to help Ukraine then you’re deluding yourself. Both of them have put themselves and their backers ahead of what’s best for Britain in everything else. It’s just that this time the UK’s national interest for once coincides with their own self interest, and that’s to provide the level of support to Ukraine that we’re doing.

The Prime Miniature knows what he is doing.

 

[metalblue]

You do realise it’s possible to fully support the government’s backing of Ukraine whilst questioning the motivation? The Ukraine thread is not on the political forum and would not be the right place to discuss that aspect. If you actually believe personal self interest has not played a part in both Johnson’s and Sunak’s motivation to help Ukraine then you’re deluding yourself. Both of them have put themselves and their backers ahead of what’s best for Britain in everything else. It’s just that this time the UK’s national interest for once coincides with their own self interest, and that’s to provide the level of support to Ukraine that we’re doing.

Backing Ukraine is in the interests of the UK and the west. Else we would not be doing it.

Is every country’s leaders supporting Ukraine doing so out of self interest? When Starmer continues to support Ukraine he’s also acting in his self interest? Or is it just the tories?

 

[Bodicoteblue]

If Johnson supported anyone or anything you could guarantee that he saw some political or personal advantage for himself. Everything he said and did was all about himself and his giant ego. The chance to be photographed standing beside a war leader was irresistible for this grotesque self-publicist.
Wee Rishi, on the other hand has a different motive.
A desperately failing government led by a desperately failing PM loves nothing more than a common enemy- something to unite public opinion behind them.
They tried it with Corbyn, the EU, nurses, teachers, junior doctors, railway workers - even barristers. All labelled as enemies of the people by the Tory client media.
Sadly for them , a strategy that failed because most people actually sympathised with these cases, and instead of uniting public opinion, actually created more division.
So we are left with the Russian bear.
This is a bit uncomfortable for Rishi and the tories because of the large amounts of Moscow money donated to the party and many of its individuals and campaigns to the point where we have the son of a KGB agent in the Lords, not to mention the very lucrative business done in Russia by the lovely mrs sunak which is , allegedly, still going on.
But don’t worry, our freedoms, liberties and western values are being defended against this menace by a man whose government is arresting, criminalising and imprisoning peaceful protesters and painting out children’s cartoon characters for political reasons.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Backing Ukraine is in the interests of the UK and the west. Else we would not be doing it.

Is every country’s leaders supporting Ukraine doing so out of self interest? When Starmer continues to support Ukraine he’s also acting in his self interest? Or is it just the tories?

Certain posters also seem to forget the 4% of GDP spent on energy support packages since the beginning of the war, with the UK’s schemes being among the most generous delivered across the whole of Europe.

I suppose this is another example of cynical self-interest at play.

Some people really do embarrass themselves on here.

 

[west didsblue]

Backing Ukraine is in the interests of the UK and the west. Else we would not be doing it.

Is every country’s leaders supporting Ukraine doing so out of self interest? When Starmer continues to support Ukraine he’s also acting in his self interest? Or is it just the tories?

I’ve already said backing Ukraine is in the UK’s interest and is the right thing to do.

However I’m questioning Johnson’s and Sunak’s motivation for it, not because they’re Tories but because they’ve done so many other things against the country’s best interest just to give themselves a headline or a catchphrase they can use to retain power.

Up until Johnson took over as PM, I believe every previous PM, including Cameron and May, were acting in what they thought was the nation’s interest. They made big mistakes but that’s another issue. However with Johnson it all changed to being all about him. Why would his motivation be to act in the country’s best interest on Ukraine when he acted in his own best interest on everything else? We’re just lucky that in this case the national interest coincided with his own interest.

 

[west didsblue]

Certain posters also seem to forget the 4% of GDP spent on energy support packages since the beginning of the war, with the UK’s schemes being among the most generous delivered across the whole of Europe.

I suppose this is another example of cynical self-interest at play.

Some people really do embarrass themselves on here.

You need to ask yourself why we were in the position that the government needed to provide so much support to energy prices. It wasn’t because they wanted to, it’s because prices went up more than anywhere else to a totally unsustainable level that would have crashed the economy if they did nothing. We should have been in a better position than most countries due to the availability of domestic gas but the government decided that the windfall profits of the wholesale suppliers was more important to retain.

Some people just embarrass themselves with their lack of insight and slavish support of the Tories however corrupt or pathetic their leaders are.

 

[mosssideblue]

Certain posters also seem to forget the 4% of GDP spent on energy support packages since the beginning of the war, with the UK’s schemes being among the most generous delivered across the whole of Europe.

I suppose this is another example of cynical self-interest at play.

Some people really do embarrass themselves on here.

Especially those supporting the current Government

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Certain posters also seem to forget the 4% of GDP spent on energy support packages since the beginning of the war, with the UK’s schemes being among the most generous delivered across the whole of Europe.

I suppose this is another example of cynical self-interest at play.

Some people really do embarrass themselves on here.

I didn’t need it, why was I given it?