The Conservative Party

[Vic]

None of that really matters unless you're talking about noise pollution. Aircraft fly in the air and air moves around so it's irrelevant where they are.

The stacks are set to reduce noise impact above all else. Aircraft produce the most pollution on takeoff whereas the engines tend to be at lower speeds on approach. There are local pollution and noise sensors at airports for this reason as operators have to reduce takeoff engine speeds wherever possible.

Look at any pollution map of the area near an airport, it's always worse directly around the takeoff runway but relatively non-existent elsewhere.

The worst I've seen for pollution in London is on the underground. I had to go to London for work last Tuesday and I only took a few trips on the underground but afterwards my nose was pouring out and full of black gunk.

I always thought that was just London! Nowadays with a bus pass if I've got time I'd stay above ground - but with google maps it's obvious what Levelling Up means - you won't find a bus journey anywhere else where the most favourable place to change buses changes minute to minute because there's so many of them.

 

[Vic]

The BBC's interview which pointed out the 10% said yesterday that it's most commonly the older folk with the older cars, not necessarily the poor.

And I would think that older folk may be more likely to vote Conservative.

And more likely to be able to afford a compliant car.

If 90% of cars are compliant, why not just wait for time to take its toll on older cars? More to the point, do what Paris does and charge more for SUV parking (not matter if compliant, they cause more pollution than smaller cars).

 

[Vic]

Expanding or even sustaining any form of ULEZ is moronic whilst public transport is facing total ruin. Right now it's getting more and more expensive to use the alternatives such as the train and that's if it runs at all.

We're talking about London here. Cheapest place for the most efficient public transport anywhere in the UK.

 

[Vic]

What, so the inbound flights do donuts over Uxbridge for 20 minutes and then land at right angles to the runway?

Take no notice. You'll never know if he's serious or wumming.

No planes stack over Uxbridge.

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[bluethrunthru]

And more likely to be able to afford a compliant car.

If 90% of cars are compliant, why not just wait for time to take its toll on older cars? More to the point, do what Paris does and charge more for SUV parking (not matter if compliant, they cause more pollution than smaller cars).

I'd agree with the parking charges for SUV but that does nothing to address pollution and air. Its an attempt to reduce car journeys in the capital - if you just do what Paris does you could rive a polluting vehicle from the bottom of the M1 thru central London out the otherside to Brighton and pay nothing except the congestion charge. I know you'd be mad to do it but thats just an example.

Its funny but Bradford have had one for some time. Newcastle recently extended theirs. Don't recall Tice, Farage and Johnson having a freak out over them.

 

[bluethrunthru]

They massage the ego's of inadequate people so their paymasters get their way

The Tory donor, Soviet-born Billionaire and Fossil Fuel Interests Bankrolling British Politics

Policy Exchange, Institute for Economic Affairs, Global Warming Policy Foundation and co refuse to name their donors. But Peter Geoghegan has found recently published US tax documents that reveal important new details about who funds these secretive think tanks

bylinetimes.com

 

[west didsblue]

I don't think it's even ulez itself that's got people's backs up, more the deafness of the mayor.

Or too many read the Mail, Express and Sun for whom Sadiq Khan is their number 2 bogeyman after Corbyn.

 

[bluethrunthru]

When they think the rules don't apply to them

The Tory donor, Soviet-born Billionaire and Fossil Fuel Interests Bankrolling British Politics

Policy Exchange, Institute for Economic Affairs, Global Warming Policy Foundation and co refuse to name their donors. But Peter Geoghegan has found recently published US tax documents that reveal important new details about who funds these secretive think tanks

bylinetimes.com

 

[Bodicoteblue]

When they think the rules don't apply to them

The Tory donor, Soviet-born Billionaire and Fossil Fuel Interests Bankrolling British Politics

Policy Exchange, Institute for Economic Affairs, Global Warming Policy Foundation and co refuse to name their donors. But Peter Geoghegan has found recently published US tax documents that reveal important new details about who funds these secretive think tanks

bylinetimes.com

I’d be very annoyed if I were paying huge sums of money to influence political parties and think-tanks and all I was getting back was a few disastrous days of truss, a year of sunak and …..errrmm..….Rees-smug.
Not much of a return is it?

 

[bluethrunthru]

I’d be very annoyed if I were paying huge sums of money to influence political parties and think-tanks and all I was getting back was a few disastrous days of truss, a year of sunak and …..errrmm..….Rees-smug.
Not much of a return is it?

Its chaos - well worth your investment mate

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

When they think the rules don't apply to them

The Tory donor, Soviet-born Billionaire and Fossil Fuel Interests Bankrolling British Politics

Policy Exchange, Institute for Economic Affairs, Global Warming Policy Foundation and co refuse to name their donors. But Peter Geoghegan has found recently published US tax documents that reveal important new details about who funds these secretive think tanks

bylinetimes.com

Russians, influencing UK politics … not having that ;-)

 

[bluethrunthru]

Lol

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Rumours that the abolition of inheritance tax is going to be one of the next big policy announcements.

This baffles me. It might play well with the hardcore rich Tory voters but so what? It’s the centrist suburban swing voters and working class brexit voters they need to win over. Neither of whom will like this policy.

It’s completely mental.

May election looking increasingly likely too apparently. This’ll be a laugh.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Rumours that the abolition of inheritance tax is going to be one of the next big policy announcements.

This baffles me. It might play well with the hardcore rich Tory voters but so what? It’s the centrist suburban swing voters and working class brexit voters they need to win over. Neither of whom will like this policy.

It’s completely mental.

May election looking increasingly likely too apparently. This’ll be a laugh.

Probably because it suits them in the longer term as it leaves less money for the next government to play with.

Always a case of leaving the country in a worse place than when they started and these cunts do not give a fuck about those that they are supposed to serve.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Probably because it suits them in the longer term as it leaves less money for the next government to play with.

Always a case of leaving the country in a worse place than when they started and these cunts do not give a fuck about those that they are supposed to serve.

It strikes me as a crazy policy like something from this Truss “era”. Totally out of tune with the country.

 

[Vic]

Probably because it suits them in the longer term as it leaves less money for the next government to play with.

Always a case of leaving the country in a worse place than when they started and these cunts do not give a fuck about those that they are supposed to serve.

It's so more people can afford a Coutts account to replace the odious fascist.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Rumours that the abolition of inheritance tax is going to be one of the next big policy announcements.

This baffles me. It might play well with the hardcore rich Tory voters but so what? It’s the centrist suburban swing voters and working class brexit voters they need to win over. Neither of whom will like this policy.

It’s completely mental.

May election looking increasingly likely too apparently. This’ll be a laugh.

Because working class Tory voters aspire to be in the middle and upper class. They dream of the day that they will have avoided inheritance tax because they returned a Conservative government.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Because working class Tory voters aspire to be in the middle and upper class. They dream of the day that they will have avoided inheritance tax because they returned a Conservative government.

Theres nothing with with aspiration and social mobility, it’s something I believe in and my parents experienced in the 80s (my dad went from working in a tile factory to being quite high up in a well known large insurance company).

However you are right in that most of these delusions are exactly that - but there’s not enough of these people to prop up the policy.

Surely something with mass appeal and to try and give Sunak the “relatable bloke” shtick that was successful for Johnson and Farage is a smarter move.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It strikes me as a crazy policy like something from this Truss “era”. Totally out of tune with the country.

I thought the same. Give the richest more.
I think what was said just above is true though - easy to remove, awkward to put back in. It's just vandalism now, the Commons stops early most days because there is no business to discuss, hence they can jump on very minor things.

 

[East Level 2]

Pegging the income tax threshold at ~£12,500 for 5 years meant taxes are being paid on a higher proportion of income (assuming people received pay rises). This alone should see the Tories out of power but it received little coverage at the time from either the media or the Labour party.