How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
That's certainly a problem, the same problem that caused the referendum but to say EU/ UK relations are no better under Sunak than BJ is just wrong. Obviously still a long way to go, but much of the open antagonism from both the UK and some European politicians has calmed down post Boris/Truss.
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Yet they're still busy diverging from EU standards and chasing footling trade deals that would have to be undone to realign with the EU.
 
NPBlue said:
How do we resolve the brexit mess?

Simple. We will have to prove to our European neighbours we want to be part of the EU again. They have, understanably, a very sceptical view of England, not so much with Scotland, but we will need to show them what we can offer, without any demands from us regarding special treatment, and that we really want to rejoin.

Our commitment to rejoining will probably depend, as a first step, on us accepting the Euro as our currency and joining Schengen. Losing the pound and having open borders for a few years before we can rejoin should be their minimum requirement.

After that, who knows, but I would imagine they would like to see us commit to seeing our membership not as a business arrangement, but being part of a community for the common good, and what we can bring to the table on that score. Accepting their standards if we have diverged too far, accepting their rules on off shore bank accounts and tax avoidence.

Those are fair tests the EU members will ask of us, and they won't want us back until we show them true commitment. It's at least a generation away, maybe more.

They aren't going to take us back because living standards are falling as our economy struggles and they are feeling sorry for us. The EU is a protective economic region and they are benefitting from our exit as businesses move from the UK to the EU, which will continue over the coming years.

Why would they want to re-admit some cantakerous twat that just moans about the state of everything in the clubhouse?

It's their club and their rules, and at the moment we are decades away from rejoining, if they'll have us back at all.
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Absolutely spot on.
 
yerwot? said:
it's made millionaires into billionaires, seriously wadded into millionaires, the other 98% are sinking into hopeless poverty....from a far-right perspective its been an absolute bonanza...on both counts
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You are saying it’s increased some people’s wealth by a factor of one thousand? How has that happened exactly?
 
Vic said:
Yet they're still busy diverging from EU standards and chasing footling trade deals that would have to be undone to realign with the EU.
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Are those the EU standards that we will still have to comply with when selling our products in EU countries!! That and the fact that we still have an immigration problem several years after Brexit demonstrates to me that those who voted for Brexit shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting booth again.
 
Blue Llama said:
Are those the EU standards that we will still have to comply with when selling our products in EU countries!! That and the fact that we still have an immigration problem several years after Brexit demonstrates to me that those who voted for Brexit shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a voting booth again.
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I never got my head round this. When these daft cunts talked about cutting red tape, how was that going to work when selling goods to a trading block that has unified standards? It simply made no sense whatsoever.
 
Vic said:
Yet they're still busy diverging from EU standards and chasing footling trade deals that would have to be undone to realign with the EU.
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It's all pretty petty stuff though. Political grandstanding for an internal UK audience really. I think the divergence will naturally peter out and we'll gradually move back towards some sort of trading relationship at least.
 
Grassland Blue said:
Cameron is to blame for this whole shambles.
I wonder how he feels about his legacy.....
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I think blame lies at more doors than just Cameron's. It was the only way to get rid of UKIP/Brexit Party from the scene and keep the Tories in power, so I do understand why he went for the referendum. At least he actively supported remaining, which is more than can be said for the Labour leader. If Corbyn had been more active in the remain campaign, then perhaps the leave vote wouldn't have won, though I again understand why Corbyn did what he did. I'd say blame also lies with the leave campaign and their promises/lies/untruths.

Ultimately though the blame lies with the electorate. It was their choice to make.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I expect he’ll regret it deeply until his final breath.
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I don't think bullingdon club membership instills a strong sense of culpability. I suspect he generally feels personally hard done by because he wasn't able to repeat the neat trick he pulled with electoral reform of using a national referendum to diffuse the issue and maintain the status quo.
His pathetic and slightly petulant flounce after the referendum went wrong told me all I needed to know about his character and motivations.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I don't think bullingdon club membership instills a strong sense of culpability. I suspect he generally feels personally hard done by because he wasn't able to repeat the neat trick he pulled with electoral reform of using a national referendum to diffuse the issue and maintain the status quo.
His pathetic and slightly petulant flounce after the referendum went wrong told me all I needed to know about his character and motivations.
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I’m not sure I‘d interpret it as a flounce. He realised he’d monumentally fucked up and that his position was completely untenable.
 
KnaresboroughBlue said:
I think blame lies at more doors than just Cameron's. It was the only way to get rid of UKIP/Brexit Party from the scene and keep the Tories in power, so I do understand why he went for the referendum. At least he actively supported remaining, which is more than can be said for the Labour leader. If Corbyn had been more active in the remain campaign, then perhaps the leave vote wouldn't have won, though I again understand why Corbyn did what he did. I'd say blame also lies with the leave campaign and their promises/lies/untruths.

Ultimately though the blame lies with the electorate. It was their choice to make.
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Probably right but also think if they had been honest upfront and said a leave vote means we will leave the EU rather than stressing its just advisory at every opportunity we would still be members.
 
It’s only resolved when there is the political will to resolve it and sadly it’s looking likely it will never be there for reason only the Labour Party can explain?

Just make it a manifesto promise that at a minimum, we would rejoin the single market and make it happen.
 
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blueinsa said:
It’s only resolved when there is the political will to resolve it and sadly it’s looking likely it will never be there for reason only the Labour Party can explain?

Just make it a manifesto promise that at a minimum, we would rejoin the single market and make it happen.
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I think they have come out and said they wouldn't rejoin the EU or single market. I think they fear they would lose too many traditional labour votes otherwise. That's why I am hoping for a coalition with the Libs as that may give them the excuse to change their policy (after the election) and look into at least joining the single market.
 
ganganvince said:
Probably right but also think if they had been honest upfront and said a leave vote means we will leave the EU rather than stressing its just advisory at every opportunity we would still be members.
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I'm baffled. Who stressed it was just advisory (before the referendum)?
 
If Cameron never gave that vote then we would have had 7 years of an ever growing increasingly angry right wing UKIP blaming every economic woe on the EU.
Easy to say in hindsight that it’s easy to ignore the outrcying but no chance it could have sustained for much longer, something had to give.
 
ganganvince said:
Probably right but also think if they had been honest upfront and said a leave vote means we will leave the EU rather than stressing its just advisory at every opportunity we would still be members.
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Who stressed it was advisory ? It’s always been seen as mandatory unfortunately even though it was not
 
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