When Ferguson left he should have been more involved in the transition. Not so much on the pitch but more as a director of football who was ensuring that their style evolved.
They sleep walked those first few years if not the whole decade.
Sadly I can only see a united win - due to an exceptional display by VAR and PGMOL.Seagulls Stuff Scum Swamp , 4 words for their next game please.
There’s always something like this when Scum lose.Deflection tactics, nothing to see here.
Bet Keane shit himself and hid behind big Meeks.A bit of an altercation yesterday, Micah defending Keane.
A bit of an altercation yesterday, Micah defending Keane.
I think the GPC was too one-dimensional to ever evolve. His success rested on bullying and bluster. Any new manager was always gonna be in a cleft stick - trying to maintain the 'Fergie Legacy' and welding on new ideas. Only one manager could have done that and they didn't get him - we did!When Ferguson left he should have been more involved in the transition. Not so much on the pitch but more as a director of football who was ensuring that their style evolved.
They sleep walked those first few years if not the whole decade.
This is what I don’t get about what @SebastianBlue (who is a fucking brilliant poster btw) is saying. How can the people at the top of an organisation, with executive control, and huge resources at their disposal, not be ultimately be responsible for the direction of that organisation over a twenty year period? To say they had no power to address these things simply cannot be right given the enduring revenue of that organisation, which would have given them the means and the time to make those difficult choices.I don’t think that last point is right, save that the rot can ultimately be dated to the Rock of Gibraltar fiasco.
in his last season GPC won the title by a distance with more or less the same team that would struggle to make seventh a year later. That in itself is evidence that he was the glue that held everything together. I would argue that the rags post Ferguson haven’t under achieved, but they massively over achieved with GPC at the helm.
Since he has gone, that which he held together has started to unravel. We lose count of the number of good players who have gone there, turned to shit, left and then rediscovered their ability elsewhere. Sancho is probably just the latest in a long line. Even with VAR they do not get the protection from referees they once did.
The ultimate problem it seems to me is the extent to which the current board is in complete thrall to United’s reputation. They sneered at us for buying success, now they are buying failure. They sneered at Chelsea for the rate they went through managers but they are now on their fifth since the GPC (not including the times they gave it Giggsy till the end of the season) and many are calling for him to go. They sneered at Liverpool for clinging to their history, now it is all they have left.
United have pandered to what their fans have wanted. They wanted a new manager? They got one. They wanted a superstar striker? They got one. They wanted to get one over on City in the transfer market? They got one.
They have done none of the things that club needs. Have they invested in the ground or the training facilities? No. Have they invested in their youth section or their academy? No. Anything that requires major capital investment for long term reward they have steered away from in favour of short term revenue gains. The Glazers are complicit in appeasing their supporter base, because keeping their support sweet is what keeps them spending money, which leaves the Glazers able to keep milking the cash cow, rather than doing what the club needs, and that is what is ultimately responsible for their decline.
On that, the buck stops with them.
This.His tentacles are still all over that club and that’s part of the problem. He suggested Moyes, he got involved with signing Ronaldo. I would imagine many more of their signings quietly had his paw prints all over them.
They need a clean break from him and a new reality check in their mentality that they don’t have a right to be successful because they were in the 90s.
This is about the only plan worse than what they did do.When Ferguson left he should have been more involved in the transition. Not so much on the pitch but more as a director of football who was ensuring that their style evolved.
They sleep walked those first few years if not the whole decade.
I know, from a very good source, why he resigned, which was that the Glazers, via Woodward, kiboshed his plan to bring Ronaldo back in the summer of 2013, telling him he could only spend £30m net. My theory is that Moyes was his response to that, on the lines of "If you want someone to manage on a budget, then here you are".His tentacles are still all over that club and that’s part of the problem. He suggested Moyes, he got involved with signing Ronaldo. I would imagine many more of their signings quietly had his paw prints all over them.
They need a clean break from him and a new reality check in their mentality that they don’t have a right to be successful because they were in the 90s.
Yeah, it's an attempt to 'hypnotise' the opposition and the officials into awarding a pen each half!Can we just appreciate how fucking awful their away kit looks as well? One the most horrendous looking designs I have ever seen - they should get relegated and fined just for that.
Agree. Plenty of quality players moved this window and rags did not manage to improve.They've had a horrific transfer window. Kane, Rice, Bellingham are three players the rags of old would have been all over, with a real chance of securing them.
Instead I'd say the only good signing they've made is Onana. Mount was overpriced and is overrated. Amrabat took them all summer despite him only wanting them. They sign a blonde Scandinavian with about three goals to his name for a fortune because he sounds like Haaland. And they re-sign Jonny Evans.
The whole structure there is absolutely awful and it's fantastic to watch.
They were lucky to beat Wolves, possibly unlucky to lose at Spurs but overall have been woeful. That back 4 that finished the game last night is truly relegation level.
Given that Moyes spent at the time big money on £70m+ on Mata and Fellaini, and that Ferguson has gone above and beyond to back the Glazers during and after his reign of terror, I'm gonna take your trusted source with a pinch of salt.I know, from a very good source, why he resigned, which was that the Glazers, via Woodward, kiboshed his plan to bring Ronaldo back in the summer of 2013, telling him he could only spend £30m net. My theory is that Moyes was his response to that, on the lines of "If you want someone to manage on a budget, then here you are".
The same source, when I asked what he (Ferguson) thought of the Glazers, was succinct. "He hates them" was the response.
It wouldn't surprise me therefore if he stuck around precisely with the intent of sabotaging their ownership and trying to get them out. Fortunately he's failed in that so far, although we'll see what tomorrow brings when the NYSE opens again after the Labor Day holiday.
It’s funny, the whole “United way” thing used to really get on my tits, but now I think it’s a hilarious millstone round their fucking neck.This.
You still get the impression that there are an awful lot of people still at the rat infested shit hole who constantly chip in with:
"Well, we've always done it this way." Whenever any semblance of common sense raises it's head. Long may it continue.
SCUM.
When Ferguson left he should have been more involved in the transition. Not so much on the pitch but more as a director of football who was ensuring that their style evolved.
They sleep walked those first few years if not the whole decade.
City are club class the scum are economy :)City have a stadium with good sightlines and plenty of leg room.
The Rags play in a dump and just cram spectators in.
Sadly I doubt Fergie has even noticed the game has finished yet.It gets better! An 88th min Rag goal chalked off! But WTF is VAR doing chalking off Rag potentially winning goals. That was just how VAR was not meant to operate! Has Fergie recovered?