United Thread - 2023/24

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mcfcphil said:
There’s no obligation for any commercial media outlet to be impartial.Sky could run a daily Glazer Out broadcasts if they wanted to.

Only time there’s a requirement for impartiality/increased sensitivity is during elections (but that’s pretty much ignored these days anyway when you look at the mail or mirror in the run up to a GE)
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Thought so. Thanks :-)
 
What is it with utd players going public about their club.

I mean sancho has been called out publicly about his lack of training, and instead of getting his head down and working hard he goes on twitter to bitch.

Utd truly are just a bunch of mercenaries.
 
Ardnaree said:
Ed Woodward was an investment banker, employed by the Glazers prior to the take over. He was running the club from 2012 - 2022. All of the players that don't want to leave the club, are a direct result of the bumper contracts that Ed Woodward gave them. Not only do they not want to leave, no other clubs can match their wages. They were only able to ship out Mata, Jones, De Gea, Pogba and Lingard because their contracts had expired. They've still got Van De Beek, Maguire, Martial, Bailly and McTominay that won't leave. If you combined all of the salaries of these deadwood (or Ed Wood) players, you'd easily be looking at 100m per season.

That's money that should be invested into the squad on an annual basis. Instead of dipping into all of the money made from fans & sponsorship. On paper, they should be a very profitable club. They made a profit of 1.5bn over the the term of Glazer ownership, but they squandered it on debt repayments, and poor decisions on player recruitment. They also lined their own pockets taking dividends out of these profits.

This rumour that they value the club at double what they were offered, only highlights how out of touch from reality they really are. The Glazer siblings are like an episode of succession. None of them have any talent or business acumen, they are squabbling with each other, trying to milk dry the investments that their father made for them. Not one of them is brave enough to come out and make a statement or have any sort of dialogue with the fans. It's all middle men and consultants.

And riddle me this. If you have an asset that is valued at 5bn. And you run it into the ground for a further 2 years, not investing or improving the value. Why would you think it could be worth 10bn in 2025???
What do they know that everybody else doesn't?
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Another stab at the super league coming down the track maybe?
 
Centurions said:
Have I missed any rumours regarding Sancho and his "real reasons for not playing"?
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Yes. Last week in training he walked into Ten Bob's office and said 'I want what he's got'. He then showed him a picture of Phil with the Treble. Apparently ten bob just started laughing before uttering the immortal words 'not a fuckin' chance'.
 
Ardnaree said:
Ed Woodward was an investment banker, employed by the Glazers prior to the take over. He was running the club from 2012 - 2022. All of the players that don't want to leave the club, are a direct result of the bumper contracts that Ed Woodward gave them. Not only do they not want to leave, no other clubs can match their wages. They were only able to ship out Mata, Jones, De Gea, Pogba and Lingard because their contracts had expired. They've still got Van De Beek, Maguire, Martial, Bailly and McTominay that won't leave. If you combined all of the salaries of these deadwood (or Ed Wood) players, you'd easily be looking at 100m per season.

That's money that should be invested into the squad on an annual basis. Instead of dipping into all of the money made from fans & sponsorship. On paper, they should be a very profitable club. They made a profit of 1.5bn over the the term of Glazer ownership, but they squandered it on debt repayments, and poor decisions on player recruitment. They also lined their own pockets taking dividends out of these profits.

This rumour that they value the club at double what they were offered, only highlights how out of touch from reality they really are. The Glazer siblings are like an episode of succession. None of them have any talent or business acumen, they are squabbling with each other, trying to milk dry the investments that their father made for them. Not one of them is brave enough to come out and make a statement or have any sort of dialogue with the fans. It's all middle men and consultants.

And riddle me this. If you have an asset that is valued at 5bn. And you run it into the ground for a further 2 years, not investing or improving the value. Why would you think it could be worth 10bn in 2025???
What do they know that everybody else doesn't?
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That United are fucking shite!
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
What is it with utd players going public about their club.

I mean sancho has been called out publicly about his lack of training, and instead of getting his head down and working hard he goes on twitter to bitch.

Utd truly are just a bunch of mercenaries.
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It was a great bit of work when we got that egotistical little shit out of the door. I never got all the hype over him when he was promoted into the England team he was bang average there too.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think if your business is struggling (and I think, on balance, their wider business has to be) then hope will usually trump cold logic.

I think it’s likely they need that sum, or something resembling it, to clear the decks from their ailing mall business and have enough left over. I simply can’t see that arm of their empire bring anything other than a huge millstone round their necks in the current market place.
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I'm even wondering if this whole charade around a sale wasn't simply an attempt to bolster the share price to secure a refinancing of the debt on their mall business. If they withdraw from a sale process then it's entirely possible they've secured the finance they need for that.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think if your business is struggling (and I think, on balance, their wider business has to be) then hope will usually trump cold logic.

I think it’s likely they need that sum, or something resembling it, to clear the decks from their ailing mall business and have enough left over. I simply can’t see that arm of their empire bring anything other than a huge millstone round their necks in the current market place.
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If its correct that the United shares are security on the loans to the Mall how would that work if the Malls went bust, banks or whoever loaned them the money get to sell the club for them?
 
lonestay said:
So fake Haaland had a bit of pace over a short distance, but he is so raw and thats the problem . scum dont develop players and so any talent he has will not be properly channelled by the training team. They are the worst team he could have gone to for career development .
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but he'll be a wealth young man
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Where’s that Pope meme?!
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Norman kneejerk said:
If its correct that the United shares are security on the loans to the Mall how would that work if the Malls went bust, banks or whoever loaned them the money get to sell the club for them?
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I guess so. Same as the Telegraph sale, where Lloyds took possession after they couldn't meet a debt.
 
Chris in London said:
I don’t think that last point is right, save that the rot can ultimately be dated to the Rock of Gibraltar fiasco.

in his last season GPC won the title by a distance with more or less the same team that would struggle to make seventh a year later. That in itself is evidence that he was the glue that held everything together. I would argue that the rags post Ferguson haven’t under achieved, but they massively over achieved with GPC at the helm.

Since he has gone, that which he held together has started to unravel. We lose count of the number of good players who have gone there, turned to shit, left and then rediscovered their ability elsewhere. Sancho is probably just the latest in a long line. Even with VAR they do not get the protection from referees they once did.

The ultimate problem it seems to me is the extent to which the current board is in complete thrall to United’s reputation. They sneered at us for buying success, now they are buying failure. They sneered at Chelsea for the rate they went through managers but they are now on their fifth since the GPC (not including the times they gave it Giggsy till the end of the season) and many are calling for him to go. They sneered at Liverpool for clinging to their history, now it is all they have left.

United have pandered to what their fans have wanted. They wanted a new manager? They got one. They wanted a superstar striker? They got one. They wanted to get one over on City in the transfer market? They got one.

They have done none of the things that club needs. Have they invested in the ground or the training facilities? No. Have they invested in their youth section or their academy? No. Anything that requires major capital investment for long term reward they have steered away from in favour of short term revenue gains. The Glazers are complicit in appeasing their supporter base, because keeping their support sweet is what keeps them spending money, which leaves the Glazers able to keep milking the cash cow, rather than doing what the club needs, and that is what is ultimately responsible for their decline.

On that, the buck stops with them.
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If “keeping their supporters sweet” was a key objective, it’s been a more epic fail than ever. They’ve managed to spunk zillions whilst alienating their fan base.

I agree that the GPC was the glue. Like other despots outside football, people like him eventually reach their sell-by date. He didn’t build a dynasty and the club didn’t build a proper infrastructure because it all revolved around him. The Shopkeepers kept him on in a position of power because they had nobody with football knowledge to turn to, nor the competence and balls to make a clean sweep. The rest is history - a tale we have enjoyed immensely.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm even wondering if this whole charade around a sale wasn't simply an attempt to bolster the share price to secure a refinancing of the debt on their mall business. If they withdraw from a sale process then it's entirely possible they've secured the finance they need for that.
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Seems perfectly plausible. Doesn’t mean they won’t have sold for £10bn, but it’s perfectly possible that wasn’t the primary aim of the process.
 
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