United Thread - 2023/24

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Edwood mentioned Liverpool not winning the league for 30 years and there fan base not dropping or revenue dropping that much! Like they didn't give a shit about titles but just being top four problem was they dropped out top four pretty regularly in the last 10 years!
Which is why it has been made top 5 qualify.
(I don't think it will ever be made top 11 though - lol).
 
Apparently an Arsenal fan butted Roy Keane, yesterday, and Micah had to step in.

 
City win; United lose. Mondays rarely come any better.
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Institutional failure always comes from the top. Always.
Maybe the exec's are still influenced by Ferguson's presence, so unable to carry out their roles effectively. The Glazers stay on the sidelines and do fuck all to address it in fear of upsetting the fans idolisation of the pisscan.
 
This is what I don’t get about what @SebastianBlue (who is a fucking brilliant poster btw) is saying. How can the people at the top of an organisation, with executive control, and huge resources at their disposal, not be ultimately be responsible for the direction of that organisation over a twenty year period? To say they had no power to address these things simply cannot be right given the enduring revenue of that organisation, which would have given them the means and the time to make those difficult choices.

Or putting it this way, I reckon there are sales managers on £60k who could genuinely do a better job at running that club (as would any competent person of reasonable insight and intelligence) such is their ineptitude. They really are that bad.

Second generations of self-made men are often ineffectual and decadent. They don’t have the hunger, desire or street-smart of the parent that gave them that leg up in the first place. That is what we are dealing with here.

One only has to look at the state of that stadium, in actual and relative terms to when they took over the club, to realise how much they are completely out of their depth.

On that basis, and on the basis that any competent person could do a better job, the argument they were powerless to substantively tackle the issues at the club holds no water.

It’s akin to saying Peter Swales was powerless to stop our decline over the course of his tenure.

The buck, as you say, stopped with him.
I’d agree that the buck stops with them - and that insight into their (possible lack of) drive may well be the key to why they have shied away from hard decisions required to redevelop for the future.

But I also think that the club culture is sealing their fate.

To instigate the level of wholesale change needed would likely require the risk of accepting a guaranteed 2, maybe 3 years or more of being off the pace while they laid the new foundations and rode the learning curve.

They were not prepared to invest such time and cost, and instead have just continued to milk the ageing cash cow using the same old methods, seemingly handcuffed by their own need for constant dividend.

This, added to what is probably an ingrained culture that they are ‘too big to fail’ and that the history and media dominance of the club will keep on churning out money for them is what keeps them firmly stuck in the much more comfortable zone of trying superficial fixes, while the cycle of failure continues due to the roots being stuck in turn of the century belief systems and methods.

It’s almost as if they daren’t try anything different.
 
Apparently an Arsenal fan butted Roy Keane, yesterday, and Micah had to step in.

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This is why in games like yesterday against Arse I want the Arse to win. Rags are only ever 3 or 4 good signings away from being a genuine threat. We need them to not just suffer some bad seasons but to really suffer some humiliation and long term damage. A relegation would be the dream.
With all due respect, people have been saying that for years.

They've made good signings on paper, plenty of them, but for whatever reason it doesn't transfer onto the pitch.

They're miles away from being a genuine threat.
 
IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OWNERS!!!!!!!!!!

Sad you are not winning anymore, and sad that other clubs are also now spending money.
 
I'm even wondering if this whole charade around a sale wasn't simply an attempt to bolster the share price to secure a refinancing of the debt on their mall business. If they withdraw from a sale process then it's entirely possible they've secured the finance they need for that.

Is that illegal?
 
The rags allowed ferguson too much influence over the club since the early 90s success. He should have just been an important cog in the wheel of their organisation instead he seemed to control everything. They thought their run of success would continue indefinitely but as soon as he left the club crumbled.
Their owners solely see them as a cash cow there to milk every year. They have no hope until the club is sold and ferguson put out to pasture and that's not happening soon. Someone should write a book titled how not to run a football club. They are fucked for the foreseeable.
There are plenty of books that explain how to run any business in any sector.
Our owner was thought to be out of his depth applying those principles to his business plan for a football club.
I wonder which investment method has stood the test time?
 
I’d agree that the buck stops with them - and that insight into their (possible lack of) drive may well be the key to why they have shied away from hard decisions required to redevelop for the future.

But I also think that the club culture is sealing their fate.

To instigate the level of wholesale change needed would likely require the risk of accepting a guaranteed 2, maybe 3 years or more of being off the pace while they laid the new foundations and rode the learning curve.

They were not prepared to invest such time and cost, and instead have just continued to milk the ageing cash cow using the same old methods, seemingly handcuffed by their own need for constant dividend.

This, added to what is probably an ingrained culture that they are ‘too big to fail’ and that the history and media dominance of the club will keep on churning out money for them is what keeps them firmly stuck in the much more comfortable zone of trying superficial fixes, while the cycle of failure continues due to the roots being stuck in turn of the century belief systems and methods.

It’s almost as if they daren’t try anything different.
I've said all along that their aim has been to meet targets. These targets are quite explicit:
  • Finish top four
  • Get to the CL knockout stage
  • Get to the QF of both domestic cups
That's their football objectives and what they base their revenue assumptions on. Anything more is a bonus, not an expectation. The first of those is key though. We saw LVG sacked even though he won them a trophy, because he didn't achieve that.
 
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This.

You still get the impression that there are an awful lot of people still at the rat infested shit hole who constantly chip in with:

"Well, we've always done it this way." Whenever any semblance of common sense raises it's head. Long may it continue.

SCUM.
Think we were very lucky to have David Bernstein when we did in this respect, never felt more sure we were heading in the right direction with him, and I think his pragmatic approach really did rub off on a few people.
 
The epitome of a waste of a fathers spunk

Reacting like the spoilt twat of a child who gets an Action Man for Christmas, opens the box only to find it empty and his dad telling him it's the Action Man Deserter model
I just see him as an act tbh, he’s hit on a ‘Partridgesque’ comedy character and it’s worked for him.
 
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