United Thread - 2023/24

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Prestwich_Blue said:
I've said all along that their aim has been to meet targets. Theese targets are quite explicit:
  • Finish top four
  • Get to the CL knockout stage
  • Get to the QF of both domestic cups
That's their football objectives and what they base their revenue assumptions on. Anything more is a bonus, not an expectation. The first of those is key though. We saw LVG sacked even though he won them a trophy, because he didn't achieve that.
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I agree 100% The rags are a perfect example of a football club whose primary aim is not to win titles, but instead to make money for the owner. Think about that for a minute. A sporting team competing professionally in a sport, but not to win, instead they want to win just enough to guarantee their income. It is a perversion of the idea of sport, really. That is how the american owned clubs work. How anybody who truly loves the sport of football can think these clubs are good for the sport is a riddle to me. These kind owners are parasites on the sport, nothing less.
 
Gingers Dad said:
Or maybe he's a shit manager looking for someone to blame?
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I don't think so. He appears ok to me. He's basically called a player out in public, which is what Pep has done previously.
 
1. City are the best squad in the League.
2. Arsenal have great quality.
3. Liverpool look genuine contenders this year.
4. Brighton could battle for the top if they cut out the odd stupid result.
5. Chelsea with a few more games could come good (I can see progress...I think).
6. Spurs have a decent manager who I think will eak the most points from a somewaht limited squad.
7. Newcastle will do a lot better than their current form suggests.

So that's 7 teams that have quality optimistic managers, quality squads, definite styles of play (for the most part), no in-fighting, no fan protests (maybe a smidge at Chelsea), no weird takeover shennanigans, etc etc.

Versus United having a manager who seems to be getting in a darker mood day by day, few decent players and very strange signings, a confusion on how to play, in-fighting, fan protests, disconnect with execs, etc, etc.

And then there are the other teams in the league who could give anyone a game on their day (e.g. Villa, West Ham, Palace, Brentford).

I daren't suggest it but could we finish the season as PL winners as United get.. no I can't even say it for fear of jinxing it but it rhymes with... rag elation.
 
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bigA said:
The epitome of a waste of a fathers spunk

Reacting like the spoilt twat of a child who gets an Action Man for Christmas, opens the box only to find it empty and his dad telling him it's the Action Man Deserter model
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You're wrong. He's a very clever guy actually.

People don't seem to understand that he's essentially an actor playing a role. In his case the role is a united fan. He's not really a united fan of course (he's a Forest fan) but he plays the role and he plays it really well. He gets loads of people to watch him watching a game and it's paid him well. It's even got him a regular slot on the radio

In my younger days I knew quite a few of the Coronation Street cast and they'd tell amusing stories of someone coming up to them when they were out, and getting really annoyed about something their character had done, or sympathising over something bad that had happened to their character.

You can certainly criticise what he represents, which is a group of people that social media has facilitated and includes people who monetise watching their team (if it's even their team) on TV. But there is no one remotely close to him in that field.
 
TonyM said:
1. City are the best squad in the League.
2. Arsenal have great quality.
3. Liverpool look genuine contenders this year.
4. Brighton could battle for the top if they cut out the odd stupid result.
5. Chelsea with a few more games could come good (I can see progress...I think).
6. Spurs have a decent manager who I think will eak the most points from a somewaht limited squad.
7. Newcastle will do a lot better than their current form suggests.

So that's 7 teams that have quality optimistic managers, quality squads, definite styles of play (for the most part), no in-fighting, no fan protests (maybe a smidge at Chelsea), no weird takeover shennanigans, etc etc.

Versus United having a manager who seems to be getting in mood day by day, few decent players and very strange signings, a confusion on how to play, in-fighting, fan protests, disconnect with execs, etc, etc.

And then there are the other teams in the league who could give anyone a game on their day (e.g. Villa, West Ham, Palace, Brentford).

I daren't suggest it but could we finish the season as PL winners as United get.. no I can't even say it for fear of jinxing it but it rhymes with... rag elation.
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Brighton, Liverpool, Spurs all demonstrate that a decent manager and 3 or 4 outstanding players is enough to challenge at the top. None of these have deep quality in the squad.
 
Jazzman said:
I agree 100% The rags are a perfect example of a football club whose primary aim is not to win titles, but instead to make money for the owner. Think about that for a minute. A sporting team competing professionally in a sport, but not to win, instead they want to win just enough to guarantee their income. It is a perversion of the idea of sport, really. That is how the american owned clubs work. How anybody who truly loves the sport of football can think these clubs are good for the sport is a riddle to me. These kind owners are parasites on the sport, nothing less.
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The tarquins did exactly the same thing.
The old cartel clubs (imo) appeared to help one another to achieve their aims.
 
I got carried away above. United won't finish in the bottom 3. I idioticly forgot about the officials.

That said if I was the PL, Sky, FA.... I'd put a good documentary crew inside untited over 5 years and I'd insist that PigMol were fair and consistent in all games. They I'd film the demise of united and the eventual rise of united. It'd be a money generator on the scale of Netflix's Drive to Survice and it'd benefit the PL, Sky and the FA. And all they have to do to make all this extra money is to "be honest".
 
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CarlosTevez'sEnglishTutor said:
IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OWNERS!!!!!!!!!!

Sad you are not winning anymore, and sad that other clubs are also now spending money.
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It's their recruitment

Maguire, Sancho and Antony cost them about quarter of billion. You can't complain about lack of backing when you've spunked s quarter of a billion on those 3.

One is a meme, one seems to be a lazy headcase thats now publicly arguing with the manager on twitter. And the last one is a football freestyler that contributes nothing but scores a good strike every 15 or 20 games. Like I said yesterday, if you want a player to contribute nothing except 2 screamers a season, give Andros Townsend a bell.

Fantastic recruitment there.
 
Grassland Blue said:
The tarquins did exactly the same thing.
The old cartel clubs (imo) appeared to help one another to achieve their aims.
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Absolutely. As long as the money flows they do not care about the results. That was the purpose of the European Superleague. Remove the dependency of the actual sports results.
 
chris85mcfc said:
With all due respect, people have been saying that for years.

They've made good signings on paper, plenty of them, but for whatever reason it doesn't transfer onto the pitch.

They're miles away from being a genuine threat.
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So were Liverpool. A decent manager and 3 good players and they won the league.
 
Crooked_rain said:
It's their recruitment

Maguire, Sancho and Antony cost them about quarter of billion.
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Jazzman said:
I agree 100% The rags are a perfect example of a football club whose primary aim is not to win titles, but instead to make money for the owner. Think about that for a minute. A sporting team competing professionally in a sport, but not to win, instead they want to win just enough to guarantee their income. It is a perversion of the idea of sport, really. That is how the american owned clubs work. How anybody who truly loves the sport of football can think these clubs are good for the sport is a riddle to me. These kind owners are parasites on the sport, nothing less.
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So long as the hoardes of deluded braindeads keep turning up in their numbers , irrespective of how successful or not the team is, why would the Glazers care ?

They continue to give the manager money for transfers, even though they inevitably fail, and they can carry on collecting their money. Job done .
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
So were Liverpool. A decent manager and 3 good players and they won the league.
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I think united need a hell of a lot more than 3 good players

They ended the game with Evans and Maguire as a defensive partnership yesterday.

Yeah you can say it's down to injuries but that's part of the game. You're not going to be serious challengers when it's even possible to have them 2 on the pitch, regardless of circumstances.

And I don't mean just because of them two, it's clear their squad is far off the mark. I think they need way more than 3 good players.

And that's not even taking into account that you have to actually have a good eye for recruitment, which they don't. The amount of players they bring for big money that can't cut it is crazy.
 
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