United Thread - 2023/24

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Dramatic reenactment of United driving UEFA and PL to develop and implement FFP to try to stop our rise.

 
havefaith said:
Exhibit A - 90 secs of Brighton possession leading to their 2nd goal(90 secs of half hearted rags chasing their tails)

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What a quality goal. The only time the number 8 for the rags sprinted was when he thought they should have had a penalty, I think he ran about 25 yards at full pelt waving his arm and was still moaning 5mins later.
He and that club are a laughing stock.
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Thing about that club…
It seems to me that there are very, very few United supporters, and almost none under the age of fifty, who grasp that they got incredibly lucky— triply so — with a convergence of three factors. People talk sneeringly about us winning the lottery. But in their way, they did.
They had the emergence of an admittedly talented group of youngsters — a once in a generation thing — at exactly the time that English football started to be broadcast to the world, courtesy of satellite television. And they had Ferguson, who was exactly the right kind of fairly authoritarian father-figure manager for that group of players, at that time. His style would not work today, I believe, and not with an older group of established pros. Not with the coverage and stardom that players have now. Not for one second.
Everything came together for them at the beginning of the nineties. The stars aligned. The whole image of United as the “world club” was completely skewed by the emergence of satellite broadcasting, to corners of the world where nobody would ever get within five thousand miles of the U.K. in their entire lives, but who would sit on their sofa, year in year out, (then as now), and call themselves, with no sense of irony or distance, a United supporter.
They were most emphatically not the dominant force at any time before that. I was looking back at First Division winners. They were champions three times in the fifties. Yes, unquestionably a good decade for them. Busby's most triumphant decade, for sure, when you think where he and they started from after the war. But including themselves, there were five different champions in that decade. Wolves were also champions three times! Who remembers that, apart from Wolves fans?
In the sixties, they were champions twice. And in that decade, there were no less than seven different champions (including themselves). The truth is that no-one was dominant, and certainly not them. There was a group of big clubs, for sure — we have a reasonable claim to be one of them. But no-one stood out as dominant.
When United fans, led by cheerleader Neville, put themselves forward with this hypnotic mantra of “the world's biggest club”, they are suffering from a collective amnesia concerning football history pre the nineties. And they seem to be genuinely unaware of it.
It's over. They think they're going to get back to it, but it really is over. Yes, they probably won't be relegated (unfortunately). They sure as hell will never go down to the third level of English football. (So if they think they've got it bad now, they really need to think again). They are sort of on the level, in the sporting domain, of “banks who are considered to be too big to be allowed to fail” in the capitalist one. But they have dropped back into the pack of biggish clubs, who will usually get top four, will get the occasional trophy — League Cup, F.A. Cup, hell, who knows, even the league, maybe, from time to time (not as long as Pep's around, though!).
I just don't meet any middle-aged or young supporters (and by that I mean under fifty or so!) who are lucid about this. Maybe others on here, who've got rag mates, do? And the most visible sign of that delusion is of course Neville himself. He seems to think it's just a matter of time before they catch City up. But it's not just City! Liverpool, Arsenal, maybe increasingly Newcastle, will be in the mix, too. They find themselves in a dogfight in a way that they almost never were between 1992 and approximately 2011. That period was a warp in time.
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what also helped champions league on itv glory hunters latched on up n down the country
now it's stuck on pay tv where if you havent got it nobodies arsed
 
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Wonderful passage of play - rags chasing shadows while Brighton let the ball to the work.
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They still think other teams will just roll over for them and give them the ball back. They shouldn’t have to work hard, they are Mansch ‘nited after all.
And that was the case for so many years. Someone on here years ago posted some stats about the number of free kicks and penalties that Ashley Young won in his first season as a rag, compared to his career at Villa. Unsurprisingly, the numbers were through the roof compared to his old club.
Even though no one has been scared to go to OT for about 10 seasons, the arrogance persists, no matter the player turnover, so it must be coming from the brass.
 
BridgyDids said:
That’s a lovely goal. Hadn’t appreciated the teamwork in it, when I watched it on Match of the Day
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I was just trying to work out how I would stop them doing that to a team that I was managing. And I think you'd have to go man to man, just to cut of the passes. No point in holding a certain shape when they are just passing it around you. Only way to stop that is to pick up a man each, because I don't think hunting in packs with do it, they will just go back to the center half's or goalie and recycle it down the other side of the pitch.

Some job that he is doing there. They literally lost their entire midfield in the summer and look even better now. Someone who can do that with ordinary players like Adam Lallana and Danny Wellbeck, you have to doff your cap to him. He's the real deal.

Brighton will take more scalps this season.
 
The Shallyman said:
Some job that he is doing there. They literally lost their entire midfield in the summer and look even better now. Someone who can do that with ordinary players like Adam Lallana and Danny Wellbeck, you have to doff your cap to him. He's the real deal.
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The two players you mentioned could be classed as " cast offs" from bigger teams.
Lallana probaby couldn't get near a current liverpool 11 and the same with Wellbeck at arsenal or rags. Shows what can be done with great management combined with shrewd buyers.
 
Xhavenjoe said:
The two players you mentioned could be classed as " cast offs" from bigger teams.
Lallana probaby couldn't get near a current liverpool 11 and the same with Wellbeck at arsenal or rags. Shows what can be done with great management combined with shrewd buyers.
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Is Welbeck any worse than Martial? They could have saved themselves £60m.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Is Welbeck any worse than Martial? They could have saved themselves £60m.
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Can't make out Martial at all. Seems to play more for France than the rags, a bit like Pogba but more likeable.
Obviously Wellbeck had injury issues at the rags and bumnal.
Must be a right kick in the teeth to see a player scoring against his former team.
 
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