Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

This thread has taken a turn.. enough of all that 'You're a horrible person cos you disagree with me' stuff. Let's get back to the gentlemen..Sebastian and Eamon and Coatigan
 
mexico1970 said:
Nope not the same at all, Bluemooners read the messages unless they read an empty site after ignoring everyone.

Better minds than I describe Twitter as an echo chamber. The fact we are having this conversation proves that this site isn't one.
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Most researchers say Twxttxr can be an echo chamber, not that it inherently is one. It is a potential issue with all social media and media in general. Echo chambers were formed via books, newspapers, and most famously (before the internet took the mantle) television. But social media certainly can expedite and intensify them.

Self-selection (our choices of what to read and engage with) and auto-filtering (the algorithm choosing what we see) contributes to how much of an echo chamber it can be to various users at various times. It can be more echoey, and it can less echoey.

Saying all of that, I imagine Twxttxr may be slowly becoming more echoey solely because Musk is forcing it in that direction (toward the far-right nutter sphere).

Here are a few good articles about this concept specifically concerning Twxttxr.

www.bu.edu

Here’s why Twitter isn’t the echo chamber you think it is

Researchers from Questrom find that most people are exposed to diverse information, but post more moderately.
www.bu.edu www.bu.edu

www.niemanlab.org

Most people on Twitter don’t live in political echo chambers — but mostly because they don’t care enough to bother building one

"The elite discussion on the platform is important, but it is not necessarily observed directly by the masses."
www.niemanlab.org

 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
What do you expect them to do on an anonymous, consequence-free platform? The "echo-chamber" is the result of that. Were there anything real at stake as there is with live in-person interaction I suspect we'd find more respect and tolerance for divergent perspectives. Maybe not that much more, but more.
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You believe that Twitter is consequence free?
 
mexico1970 said:
I haven't got a Twitter account, to be honest before Elon Gump started messing about I could just read Twitter on here after the echo chamber dwellers work themselves into a frenzy.
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I had an account almost immediately after it was launched because I was still heavy in to the tech world (both hobby and for my work).

It was a very different place then but the “you can be attacked from any direction at any time” has persisted (and likely gotten worse).
 
M18CTID said:
Fair enough but I'm not sure what you're getting at. They've every right to take whatever action they deem necessary if they feel his behaviour or even alleged behaviour brings their channel into disrepute. As it happens, they've not banned him outright and he can still use them to spout all his unfounded conspiracy theories.
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which sort of calls into the question the reason given for demonetising his channel. If they're that concerned over their image because of what he is alleged to have done then why not just ban him? To allow him to retain his platform but not to make money seems a strange move does it not, if its really about their image or his breaching their t&c's?
 
SebastianBlue said:
I am not sure I agree with your overall assessment (as you apparently don’t with mine) but I appreciate your thoughts and I have already apologised for my failure to properly communicate what I meant with my post.

I want to apologise to you and @flook directly for that. I was not meaning to call in to question flook’s character. I had just intended to make a wider point about how many men are responding to the allegations and what, in my experience, is often behind that.

But I will say—though you may not have seen them—there have been posts in here defending Brand. And we aren’t just discussing the reaction on here. At least, I am not just discussing the reaction on here.

As I said to Ducado, for my part this is less a topical debate and more and existential one that goes far beyond just Brand himself.
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apology accepted, I'm glad I read this first before your post :)

For the record, I'm of exemplary character and fully supportive of womens rights in general and the right to accuse someone who has attacked them and to receive a fair and supportive response to that accusation in particular, but I'm also supportive of the right to not be judged, juried and executed in the court of public opinion.

Sometimes it's a difficult line to be astride
 
mexico1970 said:
You believe that Twitter is consequence free?
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Sure. You can get platform-banned I guess but the police department there appears to be willing to apply rules in a somewhat haphazard ways (kind of like Prem referees). If you threaten someone for reals then you're subject to the laws you would be in the real world too as if you'd done it in the real world. Point is if you gaslight someone virtually AKA troll behavio(u)r, you can keep doing it and doing it with little to lose. So discourse morphs into heckling rapidly thanks to anonymity, which isn't discourse. So you avoid that rabbit hole by traveling safe paths; i.e. those populated with those whose views you already share.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Sure. You can get platform-banned I guess but the police department there appears to be willing to apply rules in a somewhat haphazard ways (kind of like Prem referees). If you threaten someone for reals then you're subject to the laws you would be in the real world too as if you'd done it in the real world. Point is if you gaslight someone virtually AKA troll behavio(u)r, you can keep doing it and doing it with little to lose.
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My point mate is that it is far from consequence free in the UK, you can be arrested and jailed.

Worst still you could get a knock at the door from the police who can't even attend if you've been the victim of a burglary or an actual assault.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
You can get arrested for trolling? Like persistent harrassment you mean?
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You can get arrested for an opinion over here, it's rare but it happens.

www.theverge.com

Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK for posting ‘offensive’ tweet

“Grossly offensive” tweets can get you prosecuted in the UK
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Arrests for offensive Facebook and Twitter posts soar in ...​

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The Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk › news › arrests-for-of...



4 Jun 2016 — According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via ...

In the US you can make a 9/11 joke in the UK they'll probably send a unit over to assess the probability that you might be evil.
 
mexico1970 said:
You can get arrested for an opinion over here, it's rare but it happens.

www.theverge.com

Twitter user sentenced to 150 hours of community service in UK for posting ‘offensive’ tweet

“Grossly offensive” tweets can get you prosecuted in the UK
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com

Arrests for offensive Facebook and Twitter posts soar in ...​

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The Independent
https://www.independent.co.uk › news › arrests-for-of...



4 Jun 2016 — According to the Register, a total of 2,500 Londoners have been arrested over the past five years for allegedly sending “offensive” messages via ...

In the US you can make a 9/11 joke in the UK they'll probably send a unit over to assess the probability that you might be evil.
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Geez. I learn something new every day. Legaliz(s)ed politeness! I had no idea. When do Utd fans start demanding City fans be arrested?

That said, and now way OT, it's interesting over here that rival fans sit cheek by jowl at every sporting event, and racial abuse at sporting events is only very rarely a thing nowadays, but yet people abuse each other online to a point of suicide here regularly and politcial discourse has broken up tens of thousands of familes and friendships. And then the fucking guns. I guess that makes Yanks the most passive-aggressive people on earth.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Geez. I learn something new every day. Legaliz(s)ed politeness!
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People have lost jobs or job opportunities for the character they display on twitter. Some have lost (and won) elections. Bernardo got a few games ban for a misjudged tweet. Deserved or not, it is not exactly consequence free.
 
It’s certainly true that Twitter has some echo chambers where tweeters restrict who can reply or block anyone they don’t like but the vast majority of users don’t implement any such constraints and most users can respond with whatever they want to whoever they want - with less rules than we have on here.
It has gone completely shit since Musk brought in his changes and I have deactivated my little used account.
 
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