I don’t disagree that many things are now twisted to perpetuate the false culture wars (when, in fact, there is a class war being waged, mostly by the global wealthy on the global poor). But I don’t think this is necessarily an example of that.
One can both discuss the allegations and call out his grifting, which was originally very much on the left side of the political spectrum, then shifted heavily to the far-right conspiracy nutter brand (pardon the pun).
I keep saying the same thing in many different threads about many different subjects but it is an incredibly salient and important point in a world where everything is constantly being reduced to binary states to maximise polarisation (ironically, largely to facilitate the culture war):
Two or more things can be valid and relevant at the same time; the vast majority of states are not mutually exclusive. Complexity is inherent to life and we should not fall to the simple state fallacy where everything is either one condition or another. Most situations contain a multitude of conditions, each valid, though, not all necessarily equally important.
Absolutely.If you go back and listen to some of these interviews now, a lot of those views he had just seen very fake and he was just grandstanding.
He'd just make statements, but then not back it up with literally any semblance of logic or process. Essentially a grift.
A statement of the obvious, but much needed. Sadly.I don’t disagree that many things are now twisted to perpetuate the false culture wars (when, in fact, there is a class war being waged, mostly by the global wealthy on the global poor). But I don’t think this is necessarily an example of that.
One can both discuss the allegations and call out his grifting, which was originally very much on the left side of the political spectrum, then shifted heavily to the far-right conspiracy nutter brand (pardon the pun).
I keep saying the same thing in many different threads about many different subjects but it is an incredibly salient and important point in a world where everything is constantly being reduced to binary states to maximise polarisation (ironically, largely to facilitate the culture war):
Two or more things can be valid and relevant at the same time; the vast majority of states are not mutually exclusive. Complexity is inherent to life and we should not fall to the simple state fallacy where everything is either one condition or another. Most situations contain a multitude of conditions, each valid, though, not all necessarily equally important.
It is very sad that it needs to be said so often.A statement of the obvious, but much needed. Sadly.
The trouble with that and this kind of allegation is that if an individual went to make a complaint (moreso against such a high-profile celebrity), the chances are that it will go absolutely nowhere because rape and sexual assault convictions are appallingly low. A better chance of securing a conviction would be if there were multiple complainants and a clear pattern of behaviour emerged. That’s what did for Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall, and that’s what would’ve done for Jimmy Savile if he was still alive to answer for his crimes.I agree to an extent, trial by media doesn't quite sit right. Why don't the people accusing others of these crimes just go to the police. Nothing illegal in this course of action and as others have pointed out, investigative reporting has been going on a long time and quite often it leads to prosecutions.
I don’t disagree that many things are now twisted to perpetuate the false culture wars (when, in fact, there is a class war being waged, mostly by the global wealthy on the global poor). But I don’t think this is necessarily an example of that.
One can both discuss the allegations and call out his grifting, which was originally very much on the left side of the political spectrum, then shifted heavily to the far-right conspiracy nutter brand (pardon the pun).
I keep saying the same thing in many different threads about many different subjects but it is an incredibly salient and important point in a world where everything is constantly being reduced to binary states to maximise polarisation (ironically, largely to facilitate the culture war):
Two or more things can be valid and relevant at the same time; the vast majority of states are not mutually exclusive. Complexity is inherent to life and we should not fall to the simple state fallacy where everything is either one condition or another. Most situations contain a multitude of conditions, each valid, though, not all necessarily equally important.
Hi Yes understand this now.The trouble with that and this kind of allegation is that if an individual went to make a complaint (moreso against such a high-profile celebrity), the chances are that it will go absolutely nowhere because rape and sexual assault convictions are appallingly low. A better chance of securing a conviction would be if there were multiple complainants and a clear pattern of behaviour emerged. That’s what did for Rolf Harris and Stuart Hall, and that’s what would’ve done for Jimmy Savile if he was still alive to answer for his crimes.
Trial by media isn’t the ideal way but sometimes it’s the only way. Remember it was the media - specifically the documentary aired on ITV a year or so after his death - that finally exposed Savile for what he was, and it was that programme that opened the floodgates for hundreds more victims to pluck up the courage and come forward. Of course, Brand could well be innocent but if these allegations are true then I doubt very much that those people giving their accounts on last night’s programme are the only victims and in that case I’d expect many more to come forward.