We've certainly seen elements of the media collude, but do you genuinely think in this case, the media have colluded with hidden powers in an attempt to shut down a grifting crank, albeit with a large internet following?Ridiculous. There must be an endless list of times when the media have plotted together, just because she's works with idiots doesn't mean everyone is
Social Media is awash with toxicity and nutjobs. The other day, I commented on the MCFC reddit thread, usually a reasonably sane place, that i was not impressed with Doku's debut against Fulham. I wasn't, not saying he was crap, just that I've seen many better debuts. Some twunt then decided I was racist and was calling Doku out only because he's black. I mean, FFSI had an account almost immediately after it was launched because I was still heavy in to the tech world (both hobby and for my work).
It was a very different place then but the “you can be attacked from any direction at any time” has persisted (and likely gotten worse).
Social Media is awash with toxicity and nutjobs. The other day, I commented on the MCFC reddit thread, usually a reasonably sane place, that i was not impressed with Doku's debut against Fulham. I wasn't, not saying he was crap, just that I've seen many better debuts. Some twunt then decided I was racist and was calling Doku out only because he's black. I mean, FFS
Cheers, mate. Lol.I've reported you.
Racist bastard :)
This is worth a watch in terms of a deep dive as it includes a discussion with the journalists who broke the story.
people will always do that because it alleviates the responsibility of having to look at yourself, thats why people in america loved trump because he preached the mantra that everything was someone elses fault. People by their very nature will 99 times out of 100 take the easy out, and its way easier to blame faceless corporations conspiring to make everything bad than it is to look at yourself.This makes a lot of sense.
It always makes me laugh when the conspiracy theories flare up around politicians, the media and others. In actual fact a lot of these people are just treading above water.
Downing Street just for example is run on a daily basis of basically putting out fires and that's the best they can do. Every single system and institution that they are responsible for is crumbling and falling apart (literally), they couldn't organise a conspiracy if they tried.
In the US Biden is asleep and Trump was on a golf course whenever he wasn't lying or talking shite. It's amazing really actually how we put these institutions on such a huge pedestal yet they contribute and do so little. You could remove half of them completely and it would make no difference at all to the country.
Worth remembering that in all these celeb sexual assault cases:Some of his supporters, in here, they need to fuckoff supporting this guy and his antics. You;re being used.
He tells you the bullshit about conspiracy theories because thats what you;re inteerested in, which is ok, we all have our interests, but he is using his "fanbase" to defend himself against this. He has weaponised you, he wants you to fight his fight, are you that foolish or conspiracy-desperate that you would support a potential rapist!? You're as bad as him if you are unconditionally on his side.
He's not the 1st, and he won't be the last. the weaponization and usage of unquestioning supporters of a person/group is rife.He has weaponised you, he wants you to fight his fight, are you that foolish or conspiracy-desperate that you would support a potential rapist!? You're as bad as him if you are unconditionally on his side.
Watched it.
Haven’t seen the actual program, still.
Let's not forget in all of this that the 'Me Too' movement eventually brought Harvey Weinstein to justice.
Weinstein, like Brand was a celebrity in a position of power within the media at the time of his offences. He was a sexual predator, who abused his position to get his jollies from women he was in a position of influence over If it wasn't for the New York Times expose' it's likely he'd still be a free man today.
I have absolutely no issue with the Dispatches program, and I wouldn't be surprised if their are more stories and rumours out there about other well known media personalities that are being investigated by various news organisations. Any investigation has to have a truck load of evidence before a MSM organisation will air it. Brand knows he's in trouble, and rightly so.
The thing that has stuck out for me in that video that Brand put out on Friday ahead of the Dispatches programme is that he claims he has witnesses who can back up his claims of innocence. I said on here the other day that I find it very difficult to believe that there were other people in the same room at the same time that all these alleged incidents took place. But that's not all - in saying that, he's basically placed himself at the scene of each alleged crime and while he's not admitting guilt, he's going to look a right **** if - as I suspect - he hasn't got any witnesses after all.Let's not forget in all of this that the 'Me Too' movement eventually brought Harvey Weinstein to justice.
Weinstein, like Brand was a celebrity in a position of power within the media at the time of his offences. He was a sexual predator, who abused his position to get his jollies from women he was in a position of influence over If it wasn't for the New York Times expose' it's likely he'd still be a free man today.
I have absolutely no issue with the Dispatches program, and I wouldn't be surprised if their are more stories and rumours out there about other well known media personalities that are being investigated by various news organisations. Any investigation has to have a truck load of evidence before a MSM organisation will air it. Brand knows he's in trouble, and rightly so.
The issue remains that historically the interests of the victims have most often not been best served by going the legal route. In most cases, it has been the exact opposite outcome: the victims were effectively punished for pursuing justice (we can see that play out clearly in the most recent Greenwood affair, among many others; it may very well unfortunately occur with the women involved in this Brand scandal, as well).Watched it.
Haven’t seen the actual program, still.
This had some very interesting points in it and decent questions too.
I get the point about anonymity and I also agree that regarding going to the police, the onus is on the women involved it had nothing to do with the journalists.
The ball is in their court now and this is where I stand by my impression of how justice is best served.
I think you will always have a divided opinion, not least amongst columnists who will thrive on divisiveness, if these allegations are left hanging in the ether.
Hopefully their evidence is sufficient and air tight, to bring this to trial, should they so wish to do so. I appreciate their are countless mitigating circumstances which may deter them from doing so, it is always difficult in sexual assault cases, but I feel everyone’s interest is best served by going the legal route.
I appreciate the difficulty in getting a conviction in cases of this nature;The issue remains that historically the interests of the victims have most often not been best served by going the legal route. In most cases, it has been the exact opposite outcome: the victims were effectively punished for pursuing justice (we can see that play out clearly in the most recent Greenwood affair, among many others; it may very well unfortunately occur with the women involved in this Brand scandal, as well).
That is the biggest mitigating factor and one that will take an overhaul of the way in which law enforcement, the courts, and the media approach these cases.
And that requires legitimate media (Dispatch in this case) to take the lead in tandem with public pressure (in this case, you, me, and everyone else), as much as others continually argue against it, because law enforcement and the courts aren’t going to spontaneously change out of an epiphany of what is right.
I don’t think these women’s anonymity is guaranteed either if trial is left to social media.
Well I’m not doubting the integrity of the journalists involved, but other people know the victims.Unless one of the journalists leaks information, or Russel Brand comes forward and acknowledges who they might be - I don't see how the names come out.