The Conservative Party

Makes me smile when I see posters knifing contributors on this thread for continually echoing criticisms of our countries leadership.
Forgetting political allegiance the killer is the continual changing of goalposts and broken promises be it on housing, transport infrastructure, hospital/ school / prison estate, dealing with refugees, pensions or whatever. You plan and invest sensibly for the long term. Security and vision helps investors invest. The UK is desperate for investment and growth.

To succeed you need a lengthy term in the position of authority with an aligned majority, sufficient to make your vision happen. The Tories are not a ‘Party‘, they are disparate groups of children squabbling over who controls the crayon box at break time whilst fighting for personal ownership of as many crayons as they can squirrel away.
I can’t see another Political Party having control for 13 uninterrupted years in my lifetime and having such an opportunity to do something truly good.
As far as I’m concerned the Tories have royally pissed away our future. Not sure Labour will be able to do any better but what’s happened over the last decade or so is unforgivable.
 
Chippy_boy said:
The 2030 deadline WAS taken seriously and yet look at where we are. There is hardly any curbside charging available in any town. Heatpump installations remain at pitiful levels because they are too expensive, and don't work with any modern microbore central heating system, i e. Anything installed in the last 40 years.

The hard fact is we were never going to have the charging infrastructure in place by 2030. You can debate or moan all you like about whose fault that is - and doubtless you will - but it doesn't change the fact. Stan cannot have babies even if he changes his name to Loretta.
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I’m not asking for the UK to have babies or be a world leader, I do want us to stop stepping on our own dicks on a weekly basis.

According to the FT the Govt is telling industry the EV mandates are still in place, so only 20% of cars sold in the UK can be petrol or hybrid by 2030. The Govt tells everyone else there won’t be enough infrastructure in place by 2030.

So, the Govt is pressing ahead with its quotas while dialling back on infrastructure targets designed to help the car industry meet these quotas against a backdrop of concern by the car industry about sluggish demand.

I’m not asking for much, just some consistency and competence.
 
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BeerIsTheBest said:
Makes me smile when I see posters knifing contributors on this thread for continually echoing criticisms of our countries leadership.
Forgetting political allegiance the killer is the continual changing of goalposts and broken promises be it on housing, transport infrastructure, hospital/ school / prison estate, dealing with refugees, pensions or whatever. You plan and invest sensibly for the long term. Security and vision helps investors invest. The UK is desperate for investment and growth.

To succeed you need a lengthy term in the position of authority with an aligned majority, sufficient to make your vision happen. The Tories are not a ‘Party‘, they are disparate groups of children squabbling over who controls the crayon box at break time whilst fighting for personal ownership of as many crayons as they can squirrel away.
I can’t see another Political Party having control for 13 uninterrupted years in my lifetime and having such an opportunity to do something truly good.
As far as I’m concerned the Tories have royally pissed away our future. Not sure Labour will be able to do any better but what’s happened over the last decade or so is unforgivable.
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If we look at track records, Labour’s 13 years from 1997 to 2010 improved the country in a lot of areas and was ended by the global financial crisis, the consequences of which were mitigated well by Gordon Brown until the Tories managed to fuck up. I am hopeful that a new Labour government will start to repair the damage of the last 13 years and that the electorate gives them time to get the country back on track.
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
Makes me smile when I see posters knifing contributors on this thread for continually echoing criticisms of our countries leadership.
Forgetting political allegiance the killer is the continual changing of goalposts and broken promises be it on housing, transport infrastructure, hospital/ school / prison estate, dealing with refugees, pensions or whatever. You plan and invest sensibly for the long term. Security and vision helps investors invest. The UK is desperate for investment and growth.

To succeed you need a lengthy term in the position of authority with an aligned majority, sufficient to make your vision happen. The Tories are not a ‘Party‘, they are disparate groups of children squabbling over who controls the crayon box at break time whilst fighting for personal ownership of as many crayons as they can squirrel away.
I can’t see another Political Party having control for 13 uninterrupted years in my lifetime and having such an opportunity to do something truly good.
As far as I’m concerned the Tories have royally pissed away our future. Not sure Labour will be able to do any better but what’s happened over the last decade or so is unforgivable.
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Couldn't have put it better. Post of the week.
 
bluethrunthru said:
considering her role I'd think its her job to find out stuff rather than just say I don't know the costs and I don't know where we are up to

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Apart from just about knowing her name, I don't recall her actually saying or doing anything of substance or merit.

But that is true of most of these nomarks who find themselves in the Cabinet positions.

I have to the conclusion that there is nobody with integrity
or credibility within the tory party.
 
west didsblue said:
If we look at track records, Labour’s 13 years from 1997 to 2010 improved the country in a lot of areas and was ended by the global financial crisis, the consequences of which were mitigated well by Gordon Brown until the Tories managed to fuck up. I am hopeful that a new Labour government will start to repair the damage of the last 13 years and that the electorate gives them time to get the country back on track.
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Hmm, you seem to have neatly airbrushed out the Labour government’s catastrophic handling of financial sector regulation ahead of the financial crisis, which required the UK to make the largest fiscal intervention of any G7 economy as the crisis hit, and effectively forced the government act as a guarantee for all interbank lending during the period.

You also appear to have forgotten the structural deterioration of the fiscal position in the run up to the financial crisis - they inherited a surplus and ran up a significant deficit, again before the crisis hit - which led Gordon Brown to conveniently rewrite his fiscal rules.

Just three months before the coalition government came to power, the government financing requirement stood at 13% of GDP, an unprecedented figure outside of wartime and the peak of the pandemic. But, of course, the Labour government had nothing whatsoever to do with the austerity that followed and it’s just the Tories fucking up isn’t it?
 
bluethrunthru said:
considering her role I'd think its her job to find out stuff rather than just say I don't know the costs and I don't know where we are up to

www.lbc.co.uk

HS2 may not go to Manchester because more people are working from home, business secretary hints | LBC

HS2 may not go to Manchester thanks to more people working from home, the Business Secretary hinted today.
www.lbc.co.uk www.lbc.co.uk
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HS2 was as much of not more about freight movement. Maybe she thinks the containers can work from home?
Stupid, ignorant dullard who should be nowhere near a position of power.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Hmm, you seem to have neatly airbrushed out the Labour government’s catastrophic handling of financial sector regulation ahead of the financial crisis, which required the UK to make the largest fiscal intervention of any G7 economy as the crisis hit, and effectively forced the government act as a guarantee for all interbank lending during the period.

You also appear to have forgotten the structural deterioration of the fiscal position in the run up to the financial crisis - they inherited a surplus and ran up a significant deficit, again before the crisis hit - which led Gordon Brown to conveniently rewrite his fiscal rules.

Just three months before the coalition government came to power, the government financing requirement stood at 13% of GDP, an unprecedented figure outside of wartime and the peak of the pandemic. But, of course, the Labour government had nothing whatsoever to do with the austerity that followed and it’s just the Tories fucking up isn’t it?
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You can cherry pick whatever stats you want. I’ll do the same. The debt to GDP ratio barely changed between 1997-2007 which demonstrated steady management of the economy taking advantage of steady GDP growth. The ratio ballooned between 2008 and 2010 due to the global financial crisis leading to the 13% stat you quoted and multiple years of pointless austerity. If austerity had worked the ratio would gradually have come back to pre financial crisis levels. However the debt ratio continued to climb nearly every year until the pandemic caused it to surge again. If you want to look at economic mismanagement no one has fucked up more than the current lot.
 
west didsblue said:
You can cherry pick whatever stats you want. I’ll do the same. The debt to GDP ratio barely changed between 1997-2007 which demonstrated steady management of the economy taking advantage of steady GDP growth. The ratio ballooned between 2008 and 2010 due to the global financial crisis leading to the 13% stat you quoted and multiple years of pointless austerity. If austerity had worked the ratio would gradually have come back to pre financial crisis levels. However the debt ratio continued to climb nearly every year until the pandemic caused it to surge again. If you want to look at economic mismanagement no one has fucked up more than the current lot.
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Cherry pick stats. Jesus.

Running a structural deficit, a catastrophic failure to regulate the financial sector and the largest intervention of any G7 economy during the crisis itself. What do you think that was required?

You might also want to look at those debt ratio figures again and actually have a think about how they work. It was rising for five straight years before the financial crisis hit, and the coalition government had to push through an incredibly sharp decline in the deficit over a five year period just to bring the rise under control, let alone cause it to decline. Would you have preferred the government to push the deficit down from 10% of GDP in year one to 1 or 2% of GDP in year 2 in order to stop the debt ratio rising?
 
Brewster's millions said:
Cherry pick stats. Jesus.

Running a structural deficit, a catastrophic failure to regulate the financial sector and the largest intervention of any G7 economy during the crisis itself. What do you think that was required?

You might also want to look at those debt ratio figures again and actually have a think about how they work. It was rising for five straight years before the financial crisis hit, and the coalition government had to push through an incredibly sharp decline in the deficit over a five year period just to bring the rise under control, let alone cause it to decline. Would you have preferred the government to push the deficit down from 10% of GDP in year one to 1 or 2% of GDP in year 2 in order to stop the debt ratio rising?
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Yep, the debt ratio rose by an average of 1% per year for those 5 years however it rose by an average of 2% per year for 9 years from the introduction of austerity to the start of the pandemic. This means they failed to push down the deficit and it simply got bigger due to anaemic economic growth.
 
west didsblue said:
Yep, the debt ratio rose by an average of 1% per year for those 5 years however it rose by an average of 2% per year for 9 years from the introduction of austerity to the start of the pandemic. This means they failed to push down the deficit and it simply got bigger due to anaemic economic growth.
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Basic mathematics.

If you have to run deficits of 6-7% of GDP because you inherited a deficit of 10%, and you’re trying to reduce it gradually, then it’s very likely that the debt ratio will continue to rise. Not a difficult concept. And the figures you’ve quoted are wrong as well.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Basic mathematics.

If you have to run deficits of 6-7% of GDP because you inherited a deficit of 10%, and you’re trying to reduce it gradually, then it’s very likely that the debt ratio will continue to rise. Not a difficult concept. And the figures you’ve quoted are wrong as well.
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I would expect the debt ratio to rise for the first couple of years. But 9 years??
 
west didsblue said:
If we look at track records, Labour’s 13 years from 1997 to 2010 improved the country in a lot of areas and was ended by the global financial crisis, the consequences of which were mitigated well by Gordon Brown until the Tories managed to fuck up. I am hopeful that a new Labour government will start to repair the damage of the last 13 years and that the electorate gives them time to get the country back on track.
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Deluded
 
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