Dispatches/Sunday Times investigation: Russell Brand accused of rape and sexual assault

Gorton_Tubster said:
It was sarcasm
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Glad to hear, I definitely missed that.

Postman Pep said:
Apart from on nudist beaches obviously. My missus has just come back from a wander down the beach from where we are staying in Bulgaria. Just had a graphic description of an old man stood (not so) proudly by the shore with a tiny cock and a wrinkly ballbag ... no pics:)
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I will wager that, given the choice, your missus would have preferred not to have seen that. :-)
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Without going over old ground Seb, it is amazing how we agree on so much and yet draw different conclusions from the analysis.

To my mind, you have demonstrated perfectly the reason I maintain that justice is best served to these women if they secure a conviction through the legal system. Through the courts.

Otherwise the polarisation of opinion will not only happen but will be actively encouraged and monetised through social media platforms.

Keep up the good fight.
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I don’t think anyone would argue that ideally justice is best served through the legal system. The two challenges to that are there’s cases where that’s not viable, particularly where there’s a lack of physical evidence. Sometimes it needs the weight of multiple voices to establish the behaviour, but even that doesn’t necessarily lead to an improved chance of conviction (particularly when they’re across different judiciaries).

The other thing is a lot of things only end up in court because of investigative journalism identifying the issue and reporting on it in the first place. Contrary to some opinion, with things like this they do not do it lightly or purely based on hearsay.

Brand has ways to show his innocence, it doesn’t necessarily need a criminal court case for that. Ditto society doesn’t need a criminal court case to judge or subsequently punish him by other means.
 
Mon Autre said:
It's been repeated literally dozens of times why so many people do not go to the police.

Even more worryingly, it's also been repeated dozens of times how he was "off his head a lot" and that women were queueing up to shag him at the time. Usually by people who want to give him the benefit of the doubt. The way you and a lot of other posters on here seek to minimise his behaviour and the allegations against him is a massive part of the reason why men feel like they can behave like this without fear of punity. Being a rapist is not par for the course or simply something we should expect from someone who's a bit of a dickhead.

Men don't rape because sex isn't available to them or because they enjoy shagging a bit too much. It's about power and dominance. You really come across as someone who does t think it's a big deal. Attitudes like yours are a massive part of the problem sadly
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I didn't say his behaviour was acceptable in my own opinion I said it's how he behaved at the time it's supposed to have happened. Indeed right at the start I said it wasn't a defence of Brand. That he used his fame, like lots of other famous people, to sleep with as many women as he could. Those are facts, ones he himself admits to. In fact he openly boasted and flaunted these facts at the time. You also don't have to explain what rape is or the psychological reasons most men who commit it do so, I'm well aware of them. I'm also aware why lots of women don't go to the police, I mentioned that. "Hard as I've no doubt it would have been" adding they should have still gone to the police. They should and even now, years later, they could still go to the police. The ones interviewed by the programme have had no difficulty recounting their stories to a media reporter, why not tell the police? I'd sure as hell want the fucker rotting in a prison cell if it was me, not just his reputation, which wasn't that great anyway, destroyed. He's made his millions I'm sure he can live comfortably if he never works again.
Finally, did you really imply at the end of your post that I don't think rape is a big deal??? Is that what you are saying?
 
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Interesting chat this..so many different angles.I guess the police will act if needed, but it does seem like the alleged rape cases were in the US so not sure how that works out legally. Just a point though. RB is very clever. He can of course admit to sexual addiction ADHD Bipolar Disorder and Manic Depression and writing a book about his addictions.Perhaps a very clever move on his part as I guess he can say, well they all knew of my issues.

However one thing made me think in his outburst. He claimed all his RELATIONSHIPS were consensual. Hmmm..If he did rape someone that can surely not be deemed consensual or indeed a relationship.
 
Postman Pep said:
Apart from on nudist beaches obviously. My missus has just come back from a wander down the beach from where we are staying in Bulgaria. Just had a graphic description of an old man stood (not so) proudly by the shore with a tiny cock and a wrinkly ballbag ... no pics:)
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How closely was your missus observing this guy?
 
hammocity said:
Ridiculous post, I don’t vote anymore and have never voted Tory but I’ve got friends and old family members who have passed that were conservative supporters and they’re certainly not cunts. I may not agree with their choice of political party but they are good friends and family and to judge them on their politics is plain stupid.
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Maybe by suggesting that all Tory voters are cunts they got a pat on the back from the beret wearing hive minders. In some worlds you are judged solely by the colour of your rosette ;)
 
paulchapo said:
Fuck off, put simply. I didn't say his behaviour was acceptable in my own opinion I said it's how he behaved at the time it's supposed to have happened. Indeed right at the start I said it wasn't a defence of Brand. That he used his fame, like lots of other famous people, to sleep with as many women as he could. Those are facts, ones he himself admits to. In fact he openly boasted and flaunted these facts at the time. You also don't have to explain what rape is or the psychological reasons most men who commit it do so, I'm well aware of them. I'm also aware why lots of women don't go to the police, I mentioned that. "Hard as I've no doubt it would have been" adding they should have still gone to the police. They should and even now, years later, they could still go to the police. The ones interviewed by the programme have had no difficulty recounting their stories to a media reporter, why not tell the police? I'd sure as hell want the fucker rotting in a prison cell if it was me, not just his reputation, which wasn't that great anyway, destroyed. He's made his millions I'm sure he can live comfortably if he never works again.
Finally, did you really imply at the end of your post that I don't think rape is a big deal??? Is that what you are saying?
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You didn't say it was acceptable and what you wrote was IMHO common sense, it wont be enough for some people if you don't go as far to say you want him skinned and slung over tower bridge without trial.

Due process, a nice cosy cell with 7ft Nigel his new best buddy please.
 
paulchapo said:
Fuck off, put simply. I didn't say his behaviour was acceptable in my own opinion I said it's how he behaved at the time it's supposed to have happened. Indeed right at the start I said it wasn't a defence of Brand. That he used his fame, like lots of other famous people, to sleep with as many women as he could. Those are facts, ones he himself admits to. In fact he openly boasted and flaunted these facts at the time. You also don't have to explain what rape is or the psychological reasons most men who commit it do so, I'm well aware of them. I'm also aware why lots of women don't go to the police, I mentioned that. "Hard as I've no doubt it would have been" adding they should have still gone to the police. They should and even now, years later, they could still go to the police. The ones interviewed by the programme have had no difficulty recounting their stories to a media reporter, why not tell the police? I'd sure as hell want the fucker rotting in a prison cell if it was me, not just his reputation, which wasn't that great anyway, destroyed. He's made his millions I'm sure he can live comfortably if he never works again.
Finally, did you really imply at the end of your post that I don't think rape is a big deal??? Is that what you are saying?
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Cmon you know unless you agree with the group think morally right mindset, you're open to accusations of supporting rapists.

It's a shame because sometimes valid honest conversations get closed down.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Get a grip, this goes beyond 'behaving like a ****' ffs.
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Okay a big ****. Not a nice person. Same as Mendy was in his treatment of women. It didn't make him a rapist though as two separate juries found him not guilty. The same as Brand isn't until legally convicted, in spite of the lynch mob having him already hanged. For the hard of hearing and the ones who get outraged at sections of my post, right at the start I said it wasn't a defence of Brand. Does he come across as a narcissist, a vile person and has he treated women like throwaway commodities in the past? Yes without a doubt. Do I find that behaviour acceptable? Absolutely not. Sadly, If such behaviour was worthy of a prison sentence there wouldn't be enough space to hold everyone.

Rape is an entirely different kettle of fish, but until he's legally convicted of such Brand is, or was, just a not very nice person who used his looks, fame and power to sleep with lots of women.
 
mexico1970 said:
You didn't say it was acceptable and what you wrote was IMHO common sense, it wont be enough for some people if you don't go as far to say you want him skinned and slung over tower bridge without trial.

Due process, a nice cosy cell with 7ft Nigel his new best buddy please.
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Thanks. People read a post, see snippets of it and start frothing at the mouth, without taking it all into context. Right at the start I said I wasn't defending the bloke.
Rape allegations have to be taken very seriously and now they've been publicly made I'm sure the police will.
The point I was making is his behaviour, while portraying him as a lecherous promiscuous ****, doesn't make him a rapist. Forcing a woman to have sex against her will or without her knowledge, as in a drunken stupor through drink and/or drugs does. In the documentary that has been alleged. Now let due process take place.
 
paulchapo said:
Okay a big ****. Not a nice person. Same as Mendy was in his treatment of women. It didn't make him a rapist though as two separate juries found him not guilty. The same as Brand isn't until legally convicted, in spite of the lynch mob having him already hanged. For the hard of hearing and the ones who get outraged at sections of my post, right at the start I said it wasn't a defence of Brand. Does he come across as a narcissist, a vile person and has he treated women like throwaway commodities in the past? Yes without a doubt. Do I find that behaviour acceptable? Absolutely not. Sadly, If such behaviour was worthy of a prison sentence there wouldn't be enough space to hold everyone.

Rape is an entirely different kettle of fish, but until he's legally convicted of such Brand is, or was, just a not very nice person who used his looks, fame and power to sleep with lots of women.
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Genuine question: was Jimmy Saville just a not very nice person who used his television persona and regular access to sexually abuse lots of children?
 
paulchapo said:
Thanks. People read a post, see snippets of it and start frothing at the mouth, without taking it all into context. Right at the start I said I wasn't defending the bloke.
Rape allegations have to be taken very seriously and now they've been publicly made I'm sure the police will.
The point I was making is his behaviour, while portraying him as a lecherous promiscuous ****, doesn't make him a rapist. Forcing a woman to have sex against her will or without her knowledge, as in a drunken stupor through drink and/or drugs does. In the documentary that has been alleged. Now let due process take place.
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To be fair, I responded to your post in it’s entirety, referencing every element, respectfully.

I don’t think you responded, though, I may have missed it.
 
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