Liverpool Thread - 2023/24

[Oldham Exile]

Is it too much to ask for us to beat Liverpool to the title by a point again?

Oh - the 'Fume' (as they call it) would be something to behold - and wallow in

 

[Tolmie scores]

I believe they are refunding the prize money they won for beating Wolves in the FA Cup when Wolves goal was offside at Anfield because there was no camera angle. Oh Hang on, turns out they are not, this is just one way when it goes against them
though tbh I am glad this has happened because they will create a shitstorm about it where as all other teams have moans by fans and occasionally managers and that is it. Maybe something will come of this better for all if they follow it through (Although I doubt it)

How many teams have had good goals ruled out by fubious VAR against them! Its a joke that they act like the only victims of this

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Am I right in saying both Brighton and Wolves have received a couple of apologies from PGMOL but just quietly carried on regardless without resorting to these type of bullying threats. What exactly do they mean when they say they will "explore the range of options available given the clear need for escalation and resolution".

When they also say that "sporting integrity has been undermined" does that also include hacking other club's databases, smashing up other teams coaches on a number of occasions, having no screens at their stadium, not having VAR work at their stadium or or these just things that happen within the game.

They wonder why they are called the victims and then they go and do this. I can't stand Gary ' I am desperate to be Mayor or just something relevant' Neville but when he says their statement is a mistake I agree. They should have had private conversations with the relevant people and kept it in house.

 

[Oldham Exile]

OK I have worked out what happened. Sometime last week Sheikh Mansour realised we were going to lose to Wolves so he arranged for England and his mate to referee a match in the UAE last Thursday. Whilst they were in the hotel they were bribed by the Sheikhs mates, might have been coke and hookers might have been straight cash it doesn't really matter, the point is they were told the throw the scouse game so they wouldn't go top.

When I said I've worked it out, what I mean is I read it on twitter.

Fuck - I can see that going viral in dipperland

 

[BerkshireBlue]

The disallowed goal was 100% wrong, but for me the red card was correct. Gary Neville's "he wasn't trying to do him" means nowt, it's irrelevant. Nowadays the players have a duty of care to each other and Jones had no control over the challenge he made.

The ref was actually quite consistent throughout with a strict approach to foul challenges. Exactly what we don't get when we play, as our opponents are allowed to do whatever we want in order to give them a chance.

If we had a ref like the one they had yesterday whenever we played them at Anfield, we'd have won every match there since Pep joined.

100% red card, straight leg studs up right over the ball. You can't make challenges like that and get away with it. it was a leg breaker, awful challenge

 

[jrb]

If anyone wants to go, there is going to be a VAR candle lit vigil at Liverpool Cathedral at 6pm.

 

[hammocity]

That's all well and good but how does that square with that goal not being awarded the other night?

And as @JASR said, betting could be the key here

So you think the assistant ref and VAR refs are complicit here to help “betting syndicates”?

It’s beyond belief this could happen, all the refs would have to be involved and there’s never a guarantee a situation like the offside goal arises. They could bet on a Tottenham win but there was plenty of the match to go, also if there was an unusual weight of money on an outcome it stands out like a sore thumb.

Even the Far East bookmakers are not charities and would be highly suspicious of unusual activity. It’s fanciful that this incident in such a high profile game would have been down to betting, it’s just not happening.

Small spot bets on the likes of the next corner in a lower league game are susceptible but it’s small beer, nothing like the amounts you’d have to pay to get refs of all statures to agree to a bent decision in a high profile game. They wouldn’t risk their lucrative careers and jail, they would be found out so quickly.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Am I reading the Victims statement differently to you guys ? To me it is carefully worded but it is accusing the Premier League/Pigmob of possible cheating.
This is serious stuff. Threats to 'take it further' ! Where, to court, where else could they mean?

Time to call their bluff :) Fuck them over very week now until they accept the mistake. Think of the viewing figures. I'd watch it :D

 

[Mayor West]

If they actually get anywhere with their 'range of options', what's to stop every single team who has a VAR decision wrongly go against them doing the same? This will set a ridiculous precedent.

 

[M18CTID]

So you think the assistant ref and VAR refs are complicit here to help “betting syndicates”?

It’s beyond belief this could happen, all the refs would have to be involved and there’s never a guarantee a situation like the offside goal arises. They could bet on a Tottenham win but there was plenty of the match to go, also if there was an unusual weight of money on an outcome it stands out like a sore thumb.

Even the Far East bookmakers are not charities and would be highly suspicious of unusual activity. It’s fanciful that this incident in such a high profile game would have been down to betting, it’s just not happening.

Small spot bets on the likes of the next corner in a lower league game are susceptible but it’s small beer, nothing like the amounts you’d have to pay to get refs of all statures to agree to a bent decision in a high profile game. They wouldn’t risk a lucrative careers and jail, they would be found out so quickly.

No I'm not saying that - just suggesting that it is a possibility. If anything, I was just countering the argument from some that the refs are being deliberately bent towards Liverpool but if that was the case then why was that shocker of a decision allowed to happen on Saturday?

 

[hammocity]

No I'm not saying that - just suggesting that it is a possibility. If anything, I was just countering the argument from some that the refs are being deliberately bent towards Liverpool but if that was the case then why was that shocker of a decision allowed to happen on Saturday?

I hear what you are saying but I just think the English ref’s have to be amongst the most incompetent in Europe. Listen to the VAR discussion in the Wolves v Rag game, the non penalty, it was like school kids in a playground, there was no authoritative voice as we get in Cricket and Rugby, they’re an absolute shambles.

 

[Whether or not]

No I'm not saying that - just suggesting that it is a possibility. If anything, I was just countering the argument from some that the refs are being deliberately bent towards Liverpool but if that was the case then why was that shocker of a decision allowed to happen on Saturday?

Because they were attempting to help Liverpool by not checking it.

 

[M18CTID]

Because they were attempting to help Liverpool by not checking it.

So how does that work then when it was already wrongly flagged as offside?

 

[kaz7]

Leading news on GMB this morning , victims being victims , this is why the song gets sung , nothing to do with hillsborough

 

[give it to gordon]

If they actually get anywhere with their 'range of options', what's to stop every single team who has a VAR decision wrongly go against them doing the same? This will set a ridiculous precedent.

I have seen a leaked email with LFC options.
1, liverpool are never off side
2, the opponents are always off side
3, liverpool never handball
4, liverpool will never need a large screen
5, liverpool fans never to be arrested
6, opponents fans to be arrested for not being dipper fans.
7, liverpool to win the league every season
8, all pundits must be ex liverpool players and only say nice things about lfc
9, no commentators allowed to speak over their anthem
10, commenters must never mention the cost of a LFC player and always say klopp does well on a shoe string budget

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

So...the Liverpool statement is interesting!

"Liverpool Football Club acknowledges PGMOL’s admission of their failures last night. It is clear that the correct application of the laws of the game did not occur, resulting in sporting integrity being undermined....

Integrity.......interesting word. Suggests suspected deliberate foul play......

We fully accept the pressures that match officials work under but these pressures are supposed to be alleviated, not exacerbated, by the existence and implementation of VAR....

You guys might want to consider what impact on match officials your bullying, hectoring manager has - and indeed the actions of your players (think Robertson's confrontation last year or, if that's too far back, Van Dyke's abusive and insulting words which copped him an extra match ban recently). As always with you guys, you refuse to accept your are part of any problems with this sort of stuff and by refusing to do so, or omitting to accept it, you are fuelling it

It is therefore unsatisfactory that sufficient time was not afforded to allow the correct decision to be made and that there was no subsequent intervention.

Agreed. Clear cock up that should have been sorted at the time

That such failings have already been categorised as “significant human error” is also unacceptable. Any and all outcomes should be established only by the review and with full transparency.

Doubling down on "integrity". This appears to suggest something "underhand" has gone on to me, or at least Liverpool suspect it wasn't human error.....It would be interesting to see their proof for this, or even why they suspect it. At the very least the governing bodies must be interested in this. Yet again, after referees and others have already intimated publicly, there are concerns over the integrity of the sport and, ergo, suggestions that it is being corrupted. This needs to be investigated above and beyond this incideint

This is vital for the reliability of future decision-making as it applies to all clubs with learnings being used to make improvements to processes in order to ensure this kind of situation cannot occur again....

Agreed

In the meantime, we will explore the range of options available, given the clear need for escalation and resolution."

Angling for a replayed game here. Quite clearly. There are an absolute host of disallowed goals in games that are debatable or have been clearly wrong, with no replayed matches before. The arrogance of them being in receipt of a replay is, well, peak Scouse

 

[Oldham Exile]

Apologies if potato head has already been posted but I think this is his best video yet.

I know I shouldn't watch - but I just do enjoy wallowing in their pathetic self-entitled grief.

Strangely, on this rare occasion they have good cause - I agree with their view of 2 of the 3 key incidents - but fuck it, I see it as Karma responding to the years of utter bollocks that the perpetual victims have spewed over the years

Shame on me perhaps - but I found it even more enjoyable to watch given that they had valid reasons for a change

 

[argyle]

Ffs, only these lot could have a bad call against them and act like its a national tragedy.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The two scousers on ref watch are funny.

They‘ve not reached the acceptance stage of the grieving process yet. Probably never will.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

In play Betting syndicates

you dont do betting syndicates where everyone looks surely? I mean arranging for games to go against lfc or utd is going to have EVERYONE all over it. Betting sydicates look to do minor stuff where no one is looking I thought.

If they had done it here then they are stupid, under everyones nose with the biggest most hate filled fanbase and suspicious media around? Nah I dont see it....

Sounds fanciful to me, and victimful.