Middle East Conflict

[Blue Floyd]

He still around? I thought the embarrassment of never making his wife wet and telling the world about it was the end of him.

Watchin someone shot to fuck gettin his head chopped off with a blunt shovel made me stand up. Not even gonna mention the kids. These cunts are finished.

 

[meltonblue]

He still around? I thought the embarrassment of never making his wife wet and telling the world about it was the end of him.

He said what now?

 

[Blue Llama]

Terrorists hide within the population.. they’re hardly likely to stick their murderers t shirts on and come out to fight.. they’re cowards, all terrorists are..

Collateral damage is a consequence of attacking Gaza and therefore Hamas.. Not sure what Israel were supposed to do

When you see stories like the grandmother murdered and the video uploaded to her own Facebook page then it’s hard to have any sympathy for them..

You live under a sword, you die by it..

I’m not intellectually savvy on the exact details of Gaza v Israel but I can see with my own eyes that israel couldn’t possibly sit back and turn the other cheek

Sadly this will spill over into other countries eventually.. I’m not convinced that ours is safe judging by the overt support on the streets for what’s happened

You didn't absorb my last sentence did you. Do you really believe all those wrecked apartments and buildings along roadsides all harboured at least 1 Hamas terrorist?

 

[Blue Floyd]

Rather special service from a few countries went in rather than Israel(easy said sat here I know). Not gonna end well.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Just seen that Ben Shapiro video. I know he's Jewish but fuckinell. They are gonna get slaughtered. Not nice.

Who is he?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

WW3 only a matter of time..

Unfortunately a very real possibility.

 

[The blue phantom]

Who is he?

A ****. Who still needs at least 6 bodyguards and the local police when he does speeches.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Oh lovely Hezbolah has joined in on the Lebanon front by attacking Isreal. Missiles, Drones, possibly paragliding murderers too.

Gaza strikes latest: Israel continuing strikes on Gaza as tanks at border - after 'hundreds killed' in attacks

Israel has launched dozens of airstrikes across Gaza after ceasefire talks stalled, ending a fragile truce that began in January. At least 400 people have been killed, according to Hamas officials in the enclave. This live page has closed for the day.

news.sky.com

False alarm apparantly. Detection systems sounded alerts but no actual intrusion.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

If them numbers are correct which I imagine they are . Why did the thick cunts do what they have done and expect a different outcome. Its always been the catapult against the rocket. Just shows you how stupid some terrorist are . They must have known what the retaliation was going to be . I am surprised they haven't flattened gaza in a full scale ground attack already.

Hamas' leadership haven't cared about Palestinian casualties for a long time and I'd imagine those who do feel like they're in a position of choosing between being drip fed their own ethnic cleansing or going down swinging, as it were.

Either way you'd think those who believe this current conflict is winnable, even with outside support, would be few and far between.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Very well put thread -

Excellent posts by him.

 

[Pelegrinni]

I wouldn’t agree with that, Egypt are trying to get agreement to allow humanitarian aid in via the Rafah crossing but can’t at the mo and they’ve closed it the last couple of days due to the air strikes.

On the wider point though that’s because Israel have agreement over what is allowed through that second border too, any goods via either route still requires Israel’s approval (and again for infrastructure would have subsequent approval again too). Previously no goods at all were allowed via that route, it was just a people crossing.

They also can block people too, which is why any that leave Gaza via that route seeking refugee status don’t have a right to return.

Thanks for the info.
I was not aware of this.
I just thought every sovereign country would decide how they use their borders.

 

[Pelegrinni]

Gaza is looking more and more like Grozny as the bombardments continue.
Soon, Hamas may find itself with no tunnels to manoeuvre.

 

[goalmole]

Food water and electricity should clearly be allowed into Gaza. You can't starve an entire population in an act of revenge no matter how agreived you are.

The bombing looks scarily indiscriminate aswell but there appears to be no independent ratification of what targets are genuine. Go after the Hamas terrorists by all means but it has to be done within the rules of the Geneva Convention surely??

Iran are behind this Hamas uprising according to an American General on Radio 4 on pm tonight.

Israel have been bombing and killing indiscriminately for decades without criticism or censure from the Western governments and media.
It's much the same for any atrocity the West sees as being in it's strategic interest regardless of who commits it.
The backing of the Saudis in their one sided rampage in Yemen is another case in point.
Our governments may go round the world lecturing others on the moral high ground and of our love of morals, values and international law but under the surface the injustices inflicted in our names on poor nations and countries around the world are shameful and show that when it comes to international affairs we are as barbaric as any country in the world.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That deal provided for a two-state solution. The whole of Gaza was ceded to Arafat and 94% of the West Bank plus East Jerusalem as capital. This was the deal rejected by Arafat in 2000. A quick google search would confirm this.
Given the current bloodshed, that deal is a whole lot better.

The Palestinians clearly didn’t believe this deal was acceptable. Both sides, one or the other, or neither might now wish they had taken the deal.

Losing 1,200 Israelis RIP, is sickening and a huge price is being paid by both sides. There are no winners in my book.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

are UK based Irish people to be banned from waving the Irish flag?

I’m trying very hard to stay out of this. Believe me, I bite my lip ( metaphorically speaking) at what I see as, the irony of some of the views expressed. Views I agree with as much as those I don’t.
But I doubt at times that the contributors would attribute the same rationale to our own recent and not so recent history, if they were even aware of it.

 

[Postman Pep]

False alarm apparantly. Detection systems sounded alerts but no actual intrusion.

Or just more chaff thrown out in the knowledge that the Western media will lap up any old shit.
If it hadn't have been debunked sooner 'murdering paragliders' would defo been a front page going to print tonight.

 

[meltonblue]

Thanks for the info.
I was not aware of this.
I just thought every sovereign country would decide how they use their borders.

It’s a pretty complex situation (as all of it is!). Egypt could open their borders and allow them all out if they chose to (which they’re not going to do and the Gazans wouldn’t really want to do either), they can’t allow things in though without agreements being in place.

Israel have backtracked from the position of telling them all to leave Gaza though as they know there’s nowhere for them to go. Well, the army has at least, Netanyahu hasn’t. Given he said for them to leave as they will act forcefully everywhere, it’s him saying that, the air strikes already plus the blockade that’s making people very concerned for civilians in Gaza. The leadership in both countries have failed and the consequences we’ve already seen and will see are going to be horrific.

 

[theres only one carlito]

Im finding it increasingly difficult to understand the behaviour of male adult humans. We are a fukin strange breed. We are our own worse enemy and will eventually destroy ourselves and everyone else with our own selfish stupidity. Absolute state of the world? Can I please get off because this is a fukin shit show run by imbeciles.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That deal provided for a two-state solution. The whole of Gaza was ceded to Arafat and 94% of the West Bank plus East Jerusalem as capital. This was the deal rejected by Arafat in 2000. A quick google search would confirm this.
Given the current bloodshed, that deal is a whole lot better.

I had forgotten that Yitzhak Rabin was murdered by Israeli Jews for trying to agree the Oslo accords. People who contributed to the hatred towards Rabin included Netanyahu and Israel’s defence minister.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I’m trying very hard to stay out of this. Believe me, I bite my lip ( metaphorically speaking) at what I see as, the irony of some of the views expressed. Views I agree with as much as those I don’t.
But I doubt at times that the contributors would attribute the same rationale to our own recent and not so recent history, if they were even aware of it.

I was listening to 5Live earlier and they had John Lyndon on taking questions ( Alliance for Middle East Peace ) who was providing background to listeners questions. One question was about the historical UK involvement in all this ad he related all about the Balfour Declaration but he prefaced his remarks by saying

" I am going to have to be careful about this as criticism of British Colonial History from someone like me with an Irish accent can often provoke a reaction "

Yep its still that bad out there