Liverpool Thread - 2023/24

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Coatigan said:
The point I was responding to was claiming that it is a 'tragedy chant' and that people are using a get out of 'but it's not about Hillsborough but about another tragedy so it is ok'.

When a), anyone claiming it to be a tragedy chant has only ever claimed it to be about Hillsborough, and b) anyone claiming it is Not a tragedy chant has only ever argued it isn't about any tragedy, rather than not about a specific one but about another.

Hence the question.
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Hate the new term tragedy chant mate, get your point though.
 
Mon Autre said:
Always surprises me how many people seem to think "We're not singing about about Hillsborough, were singing about a different tragedy" seems to be an acceptable defence whenever this comes up.
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That’s a reasonable viewpoint but to actually criminalise the behaviour is way OTT.

Also, and I’ve posted at length about this before, but the absolute refusal of large sections of the fan base and club to own the frankly terrible behaviour of their fans (whilst pushing their own behaviour agendas) over decades just fuels it too

The poor Liverpool fan who got clobbered with an iron bar by ultras in the tie after our bus got smashed is just one of the victims. The inexplicable not finding of the pint pot thrower which left one of our own maimed too.

The club and the fans are responsible for both.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I agree with this. No doubt the song was originally about Heysel but the "victim" phrase is tasteless given the Hillsborough history. I have never sung this song. It was originally started by United fans and just gives more ammunition to our enemies. Don't get me wrong. I do believe some LFC fans have to some extent "weaponised" Hillsborough and MUFC have certainly commercialised "Munich" but our fans should show more class and rise above it all. For example "Old Trafford is falling down" is brilliant.
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I agree about the origins of the song and it was sung by the rags in response to the dippers always singing about the munich disaster.

What's ironic now though is that not only have the dippers "weaponised Hillsborough" but it's the fact that they've completely swept Heysel under the carpet and now act like that they are innocent "victims" that have never done anything wrong!

They got all English clubs banned from Europe because of Heysel and no one, especially that fucking horrible club, should forget that!
 
Legal Alien said:
I agree about the origins of the song and it was sung by the rags in response to the dippers always singing about the munich disaster.

What's ironic now though is that not only have the dippers "weaponised Hillsborough" but it's the fact that they've completely swept Heysel under the carpet and now act like that they are innocent "victims" that have never done anything wrong!

They got all English clubs banned from Europe because of Heysel and no one, especially that fucking horrible club, should forget that!
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Good post.
I'm going to sing it when they rock up to the Etihad and get up to their usual snidey, sneaky ways. For me, the song is definitely NOT about Hillsborough. It's about their victim mentality and being offended by everything and ashamed of nothing. Just who the fuck do they think they are? So they can decide what opposing clubs fans can and can't sing and everyone has to toe the line just suit them and keep them happy. So they can continue to airbrush their appalling behaviour out of their history? They are just a truly horrible club, team and fanbase that I fucking despise down to my core. They can go and fuck themselves as can the compliant and weak media, who support them because they are scared to death of them.
 
I know 3 Liverpool fans who have never set foot in anfield, weren't born in Liverpool or anywhere near it and all seem to have been injected with the **** virus and just trot out trope after trope about other clubs without any proof whatsoever.

It really is like someone opened their heads up took out the brain.
 
mexico1970 said:
I know 3 Liverpool fans who have never set foot in anfield, weren't born in Liverpool or anywhere near it and all seem to have been injected with the **** virus and just trot out trope after trope about other clubs without any proof whatsoever.

It really is like someone opened their heads up took out the brain.
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That's what cults do.
 
The victims chant although debatable when it started , is to me more about their reaction to the Evra and Suarez incidents. Personally as much as I hate them , any chants about Hillsborough are just unnecessary and fuel their agenda even more. I'd like to know what their viewpoint on Steau chants/ references is. They'll probably call it ironic indirect tragedy chanting or just banter.
 
shackattack said:
The victims chant although debatable when it started , is to me more about their reaction to the Evra and Suarez incidents. Personally as much as I hate them , any chants about Hillsborough are just unnecessary and fuel their agenda even more. I'd like to know what their viewpoint on Steau chants/ references is. They'll probably call it ironic indirect tragedy chanting or just banter.
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They would have to acknowledge their guilt first, alas the mard arsed, hypocritical cunts won’t.. !
 
Kippax77 said:
Their minds were in Colombia was always going to be the answer.
You'd think Klopp would send Diaz home to be with his mum as football really shouldn't matter to him in his current plight.
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Which is exactly what we did with David Silva. Of course the player might have decided to carry on playing.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I agree with this. No doubt the song was originally about Heysel but the "victim" phrase is tasteless given the Hillsborough history. I have never sung this song. It was originally started by United fans and just gives more ammunition to our enemies. Don't get me wrong. I do believe some LFC fans have to some extent "weaponised" Hillsborough and MUFC have certainly commercialised "Munich" but our fans should show more class and rise above it all. For example "Old Trafford is falling down" is brilliant.
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The song was first sung by united fans at the time of the Suarez/Evra incident. However, that coincided with the release of the Hillsborough Independent Panel report. Had that not been the case, they would have a very weak case.

But it was, so is open to being accused of being about Hillsborough. And while they're a bunch of whingeing, self-entitled twats, it shouldn't be sung.
 
mad4city said:
Story goes, in 1966, Liverpool has won the League, Everton had won the Cup and the Beatles were the biggest band in the world.
A local vicar posed the question on a board outside his church: What would you do if God came to Liverpool?
Under which some wag wrote...
Move St John out wide.
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that brings back memories, last heard that one 50 odd years ago
 
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