Liverpool Thread - 2023/24

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

I wonder what would constitute 'savoury' singing?

I'm in a bit of a pickle trying to work this out

 

[domalino]

There are 2 posts, out of 110, in that which claim it might be about Hillsborough.

Most of it is lots of posts calling both sets of fans scum, cunts etc, in general. Which happens on any thread about them really. A few discussing whether anything was chanted at all, or if it could be heard. There are a few posts not explicitly questioning the claim of the article, if you really want to cling to that. There is more than 10% in there arguing it is not about Hillsborough, so your waving of the less than 2% there is a bit pointless.

I'm not going to engage with anyone who read that thread and thinks only 2 posts were about the song being about Hillsborough.

One of the most dishonest comments I've ever seen on this website.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I'm not going to engage with anyone who read that thread and thinks only 2 posts were about the song being about Hillsborough.

One of the most dishonest comments I've ever seen on this website.

Fuck's sake. You two have made me read through all that drivel now. Damn you both :)

 

[M18CTID]

I always point this out when people deny it's got anything to do with Hillsborough.

The Bluemoon thread from the day it was first sung by United fans. Everyone thinks it's about Hillsborough, everyone thinks it's disgraceful.

Chants @ The Swamp Today

Reports were that there were some "unsavory" chants @ The Swamp today in regards to Liverpol and the Hillsboro tragedy. What exactly were they and is it getting much coverage over there???

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

Surprisingly, this incident and that thread passed me by at the time. Then I just realised that I was on holiday in Corfu that weekend.

What I would say is that it wasn't the first time that United fans had sung it - it was kicking around the season before as well. However, the timing of singing it on that particular weekend following the publication of the Hillsborough disaster report a few days earlier was idiotic.

 

[Coatigan]

I'm not going to engage with anyone who read that thread and thinks only 2 posts were about the song being about Hillsborough.

One of the most dishonest comments I've ever seen on this website.

Probably about as dishonest as trying to use a thread of reactions to an article from 11 years ago as 'proof' the song is about Hillsborough. And claiming 'everyone' thinks it, when there are clearly people arguing otherwise.

 

[domalino]

Probably about as dishonest as trying to use a thread of reactions to an article from 11 years ago as 'proof' the song is about Hillsborough. And claiming 'everyone' thinks it, when there are clearly people arguing otherwise.

There's absolutely nothing dishonest about posting a thread from the time the song first got national attention to point out that the overwhelming response on bluemoon at the time - before City fans started singing it - was that it was a scummy song to sing.

The problem here is that you want to believe in a myth that the song was completely fine and respectable and then Liverpool and their fans gaslit the world into thinking it was about Hillsborough. Unfortunately for you, that's a complete lie, and you can see from the over 100 comments in that thread that people think it's scumbag behaviour.

Well if it is true....which it probably is...I hope they make an example of them...knobs

I am a bit to thick to post links but if you google the guardian they are reporting that they were singing the chants as suggested. I did manage to copt and paste this from their site.
"Manchester United condemned the anti-Liverpool chant of "Always the victims, it's never your fault" sung during Saturday's 4-0 win over Wigan Athletic at Old Trafford."

Once again they show their class.

Classless C**ts.

Irony - those red tw@ts have been milking their victim tag for over 50 years.

Wonder if there will be anything in the MUEN?

Hope liverpool smash them in next weekend cluelees slime

Glad to see that Guardian article. The rags do alot of tasteless chanting and it's about time they were picked up on it. So far nobody's had the balls to run big with it.

it happened , united issued a statement as well , when a friend who supports united told me it was only started by a minority then what confused me is why not the rest of the public shut them down? I mean if majority were against such chants then they could have simply silenced those chanting it , Pathetic to be honest

Classy fans ey? After everything thats gone on this week, should be ashamed,, shameful.

I agree with you i bet sky dont do report on these sick chants at the swamp

Did anyone expect any less from the scum. The levels of hypocrisy, heaven forbid anyone may even utter the word of their tragedy,yet everyone elses - even russian submariners - are fair game for them.

clueless idiots.

And yet if someone even mentions Munich they're up in arms. Bunch of vile cunts the lot of them.

And the thick twats wonder why other supporters cheered when we won the Title last season. Hated by every other club supporter in the land, let any fans start singing about 1958 and they are all up in arms well they can all fuck off, shit fans, shit ground and fucking great owners bleeding them dry :)

We always knew they were scum. They'll all be getting their 96 tattoos as we speak.

to do this after the week that has passed and their manager saying this nonsense has to stop says everything about them. Honestly they are the most classless fans in the country and are lucky the media protects alot of their sh!t

Neither shocked or surprised. It's the scum we are talking about here. The lowest of the low.

Well if it is true....which it probably is...I hope they make an example of them...knobs

I am a bit to thick to post links but if you google the guardian they are reporting that they were singing the chants as suggested. I did manage to copt and paste this from their site.
"Manchester United condemned the anti-Liverpool chant of "Always the victims, it's never your fault" sung during Saturday's 4-0 win over Wigan Athletic at Old Trafford."

Once again they show their class.

Classless C**ts.

Irony - those red tw@ts have been milking their victim tag for over 50 years.

Wonder if there will be anything in the MUEN?

Hope liverpool smash them in next weekend cluelees slime

Glad to see that Guardian article. The rags do alot of tasteless chanting and it's about time they were picked up on it. So far nobody's had the balls to run big with it.

it happened , united issued a statement as well , when a friend who supports united told me it was only started by a minority then what confused me is why not the rest of the public shut them down? I mean if majority were against such chants then they could have simply silenced those chanting it , Pathetic to be honest

Classy fans ey? After everything thats gone on this week, should be ashamed,, shameful.

I agree with you i bet sky dont do report on these sick chants at the swamp

Did anyone expect any less from the scum. The levels of hypocrisy, heaven forbid anyone may even utter the word of their tragedy,yet everyone elses - even russian submariners - are fair game for them.

clueless idiots.

And yet if someone even mentions Munich they're up in arms. Bunch of vile cunts the lot of them.

And the thick twats wonder why other supporters cheered when we won the Title last season. Hated by every other club supporter in the land, let any fans start singing about 1958 and they are all up in arms well they can all fuck off, shit fans, shit ground and fucking great owners bleeding them dry :)

We always knew they were scum. They'll all be getting their 96 tattoos as we speak.

to do this after the week that has passed and their manager saying this nonsense has to stop says everything about them. Honestly they are the most classless fans in the country and are lucky the media protects alot of their sh!t

Neither shocked or surprised. It's the scum we are talking about here. The lowest of the low.

2 comments you said.

What happened between then, when everyone thought it was heinous and now when people want to rewrite history and claim it was never about Hillsborough and saying it does is part of a Liverpool media campaign? City and Liverpool became rivals for trophies, and City fans started singing it.

And I'm sure you'll get lots of likes and support, because there's loads of people on here who want to beleive the lie to justify their own singing of it. The truth is there in black and white though, when this song started, City fans knew it was about Hillsborough and they thought it was vile.

 

[johnnytapia]

There's absolutely nothing dishonest about posting a thread from the time the song first got national attention to point out that the overwhelming response on bluemoon at the time - before City fans started singing it - was that it was a scummy song to sing.

The problem here is that you want to believe in a myth that the song was completely fine and respectable and then Liverpool and their fans gaslit the world into thinking it was about Hillsborough. Unfortunately for you, that's a complete lie, and you can see from the over 100 comments in that thread that people think it's scumbag behaviour.
































What happened between then, when everyone thought it was heinous and now when people want to rewrite history and claim it was never about Hillsborough and saying it does is part of a Liverpool media campaign? City and Liverpool became rivals for trophies, and City fans started singing it.

It’s about Heysel.

 

[blue cigar]

It's not about Hillsborough, it's about everything they do, heysel, the coach bricking, the spitting, the attacking an ambulance, Michael shields, the Paris final, claims against var, against us for denying them more trophies..it goes on and on and on.
To say "everyone" thinks it's about Hillsborough is so far wrong you should be embarrassed.
I sing it and will continue to sing it because it's true and they know it

 

[cheekybids]

I've changed it slightly, but I like it!

Maybe the Everton banner that summed them up…..

Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing!

 

[hammocity]

I was in the London Dungeon yesterday.
In the Courtroom scene they pick a Random guy into the dock where he is asked by the judge "And where are you from ?"
He replies "Liverpool"
"GUILTY - HANG HIM! " is the immediate reply.
I've been before so know this is how it always plays out, but I found it funnier that I ought too.
Made sure he saw my City bobble hat on the way out lol

I went to the York Dungeons a few years ago, at the end there’s a reconstruction of the Dick Turpin trial, the Judge finds him guilty and the execution is carried out, the guide then says “Ladies and Gentleman you are looking at a well hung Dick”, no kids were harmed during the hanging.

 

[Coatigan]

There's absolutely nothing dishonest about posting a thread from the time the song first got national attention to point out that the overwhelming response on bluemoon at the time - before City fans started singing it - was that it was a scummy song to sing.

The problem here is that you want to believe in a myth that the song was completely fine and respectable and then Liverpool and their fans gaslit the world into thinking it was about Hillsborough. Unfortunately for you, that's a complete lie, and you can see from the over 100 comments in that thread that people think it's scumbag behaviour.

This is a completely genuine response now, sarcasm and snide bickers aside.

It is not dishonest to point out hypocrisy, granted.

Claiming 'everyone' was saying it on that thread though, is. It is just the other extreme of my own biased take.

I maybe pushed it to an extreme, but my point does stand. There are clearly people arguing it even back then. And then a few saying nothing at all, which you take as it being about Hillsborough and I take as not. Somebody saying they are both as bad as each other and quick to cry tragedy, is not claiming the song is about Hillsborough, for example.

Even so, it was reactions to an article that first came out, you of all people should know stances change with subsequent articles, as you have done many times here.

As to what my own problem or take is, I have said multiple times, I don't think the song should be sung.

Not because I think it is about Hillsborough. I don't. I 100% believe that it was about Luis Suarez, and everything there, the timing, the sequence of events totally checks out. And it has since only come back because of Liverpool's moans about Uefa, rhe FA, spending, other clubs business, other songs, trying to sneak into Paris without tickets and blaming authorities for their reaction, and other examples that it now seem to trigger it amongst many clubs. I fully acknowledge the FA and BBC have accepted the claim it is a 'tragedy chant', Liverpool have indeed made that stick. And for that it shouldn't be sung. And partly because I'm not keen on borrowing Utd's songs. Doesn't mean I have to agree with their take.

Edit. I see you have done your usual fundamental edit again. Not going to go back, as I responded to the post at the time. I'm just surprised you didn't edit your use of 'everyone' out as well.

 

[horlock_was_super]

So let's just imagine that the so-called tragedy chanting stops - jolly nice chaps those scouse scallywags.
Next time they commit (yet another) dubious act are we all supposed to just stand by and watch and say nothing. It's what they do - they are just having fun after all.
We know what they've done time and time and time again and no doubt will continue to do so. They're being given an easy ride due to the institutional cover ups that took place. Nothing more.
It's just......
Read the full report on the Aberfan disaster - the contempt with which those people were treated after watching their whole community and a generation effectively wiped out in a single morning. Dignified.
Read the accounts of countless young people abused by the state in establishment run care homes. Traumatised for ever.
Look into how the army personnel were treated after the Bikini Atoll tests. Contaminated by lord alone knows.
Consider the way in which the Windrush generation have and are still being treated by the British government. Denied their very existence!
I could go on - the list is never ending. It's what the establishment does from the year dot.
Hillsborough was an accident waiting to happen unfortunately, but it is no more of an abhorrence than any other tragedy that has happened at football matches - as true football supporters and decent human beings we all stand behind them - just like we do with the Burnden Park, Ibrox, Bradford and (let's mention the elephant in the room) Heysel tragedies - they were all just ordinary people doing what they enjoyed and lost their lives tragically. We have seen down the years stadium tragedies in far flung places we shrug and move on and it's never mentioned again. I am not saying that is what we should do with Hillsborough, but we shouldn't allow it to overshadow every other awful happening.

Everton fans don't behave like this - they don't mock Hillsborough. Yet Steaue Bucharest banners - fine.
Harold Shipman songs (yes I know Everton fans have too) fair game.
Stabbing gestures towards Leeds fans - high jinks.

I lived through the 80's it was carnage in the North and they were no worse off than anybody else when it came to mass unemployment so the whole Royal family/Thatcher shite is just that - shite!

Perhaps it's a Mancunian trait our take on things are usually - it's awful, take a moment and then move on and never forget.

Rant over.

 

[mancboy]

As i have previously said whether it is about hillsborough or not is largely irrelevant, yes its a sad event but we cannot and should not stop doing things or chanting things because liverpool or anyone else doesnt like it, its a slippery slope where we let other clubs dictate what we can and cannot sing or what we should and shouldnt do based on what they feel about it.

Personally i dont think liverpool fans should ever be let in our stadium again solely down to the pint throwing incident, and thats if you ignore all the other incidents but that will never happen because its just my opinion that i have an intense dislike of scousers, the same ethos applies here.

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

It’s Never Their Fault - Republik Of Mancunia: A Manchester United Blog

Four minutes in to Manchester United's 4-0 win over Wigan, the Stretford End starting singing the Luis Suarez "racist bastard" chant. The chant that followed was "always the victims, it's never their fault". This is a standard occurrence at Old Trafford and United's away games, dating back to...

therepublikofmancunia.com

I stumbled upon this article recently. Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing, but it's worth a read, if only to learn about the Michael Shields Royal Pardon

 

[halfcenturyup]

There's absolutely nothing dishonest about posting a thread from the time the song first got national attention to point out that the overwhelming response on bluemoon at the time - before City fans started singing it - was that it was a scummy song to sing.

The problem here is that you want to believe in a myth that the song was completely fine and respectable and then Liverpool and their fans gaslit the world into thinking it was about Hillsborough. Unfortunately for you, that's a complete lie, and you can see from the over 100 comments in that thread that people think it's scumbag behaviour.





























































2 comments you said.

What happened between then, when everyone thought it was heinous and now when people want to rewrite history and claim it was never about Hillsborough and saying it does is part of a Liverpool media campaign? City and Liverpool became rivals for trophies, and City fans started singing it.

And I'm sure you'll get lots of likes and support, because there's loads of people on here who want to beleive the lie to justify their own singing of it. The truth is there in black and white though, when this song started, City fans knew it was about Hillsborough and they thought it was vile.

:( Kudos for the commitment. A couple of comments, though.

First, a lot of the replies criticised the timing rather than the connection, with a few noting it had been sung the previous season too. Only two inputs from United fans that I could see. One at the match, indirect, saying it was about Suarez/Evra, the other, not match going as far as I could tell, who thought it was offensive.

Second, the dynamic City/ United and City/ Liverpool has changed over the ten years. United fans could have sung God Save the Queen and we would have found reason to call them scum. The bastards. Now it's Liverpool who are the scum.

At the end of the day, only the people who chant Victims/ fault know why they sing it. Pretty clearly on here, I think, people who sing it aren't referencing Hillsborough. That's good enough for me.

Then again, you may remember I thought the rent boys chant was fine too ......

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Just read on the BBC Luton Town bending over backwards to apologise.
Have Liverpool ever made a statement about their fans behaviour at City when the young girl was hit by the bottle?
I recall the half hearted comment after the bus was attacked

 

[mexico1970]

Just read on the BBC Luton Town bending over backwards to apologise.
Have Liverpool ever made a statement about their fans behaviour at City when the young girl was hit by the bottle?
I recall the half hearted comment after the bus was attacked

All other clubs will comply and feign fealty to the scouse grief merchants.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Tragedy chanting you say?
This from their leading supporters group.....

 

[mexico1970]

Tragedy chanting you say?
This from their leading supporters group.....

Cheeky chappies.

 

[hello]

:( Kudos for the commitment. A couple of comments, though.

First, a lot of the replies criticised the timing rather than the connection, with a few noting it had been sung the previous season too. Only two inputs from United fans that I could see. One at the match, indirect, saying it was about Suarez/Evra, the other, not match going as far as I could tell, who thought it was offensive.

Second, the dynamic City/ United and City/ Liverpool has changed over the ten years. United fans could have sung God Save the Queen and we would have found reason to call them scum. The bastards. Now it's Liverpool who are the scum.

At the end of the day, only the people who chant Victims/ fault know why they sing it. Pretty clearly on here, I think, people who sing it aren't referencing Hillsborough. That's good enough for me.

Then again, you may remember I thought the rent boys chant was fine too ......

You seem to be alluding that only one of the red shites can be scum at a time. My advice is to enlarge your capacity to consider multiple sides scum simultaneously with these 2 permanently occupying the top 2 spots.