Middle East Conflict

blueinsa said:
They are certainly hated for being Zionists as can be seen from the language being used.

From that I’d say yes, they are hated for being Jewish.

Zionist has become a slur on here, a dirty word I’m afraid.
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Zionist isn't the same as Jewish.
There are many Jewish people who are not Zionists and many Zionists who are not Jewish.
Conflating the two is downright dishonest and cynical.
 
Vic said:
I did wonder whether the "Jews will not replace us" Proud Boys were also pro-Israel.

So I googled, but was surprised this popped up...

www.newsweek.com

Israel Let Proud Boys Founder In, But Says No to Reps. Omar, Tlaib

Citing pressure from President Donald Trump, Israel has banned U.S. Representatives Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib, in part for their support of a boycott movement meant to support Palestinians.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
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This Zionism has been exposed for what it truly is.
 
Ducado said:
What about the Christian fundamentalist Zionists?
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The Israelis have done a good job of conflating the two to the point where people are afraid to criticise Israel and Zionism for being the fascists racists they are for fear of being labelled anti semitic.
This has to be brought out into the open and smashed.
 
blueinsa said:
They are certainly hated for being Zionists as can be seen from the language being used.

From that I’d say yes, they are hated for being Jewish.

Zionist has become a slur on here, a dirty word I’m afraid.
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A fair question. Is Zionism Democratic?
Or probably more accurate, is all Zionism Democratic.?
 
goalmole said:
The Israelis have done a good job of conflating the two to the point where people are afraid to criticise Israel and Zionism for being the fascists racists they are for fear of being labelled anti semitic.
This has to be brought out into the open and smashed.
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Is a movement avowedly seeking a home for one race necessarily racist? Given the persecution many Jews faced in the late 19th century in Europe, it was more about a place of safety. Obviously attitudes to Arabs (and others) would now be considered racist.

I wouldn't have thought many Zionists were fascist by most definitions (most were far more to the left). Even those who wanted an alliance with Nazi Germany in WW2 were motivated by distrust of the British.
 
Vic said:
Is a movement avowedly seeking a home for one race necessarily racist? Given the persecution many Jews faced in the late 19th century in Europe, it was more about a place of safety. Obviously attitudes to Arabs (and others) would now be considered racist.

I wouldn't have thought many Zionists were fascist by most definitions (most were far more to the left). Even those who wanted an alliance with Nazi Germany in WW2 were motivated by distrust of the British.
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Plenty of very prominent Jewish people thought it was a fascist undertaking from the beginning.

The New York Times/1948/12/4/New Palestine Party; Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed - Wikisource, the free online library

en.wikisource.org en.wikisource.org
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
A fair question. Is Zionism Democratic?
Or probably more accurate, is all Zionism Democratic.?
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It's more accurate to think of Zionism as factional, with an annual Congress to try and find some unity / avoid splits. It was more about trying to organise immigration than voting. Now, not all Zionists are democratic because some varieties of Zionism are plainly minority varieties, including the settler movement.
 
Talking of smear merchants there are not too many bigger than this ****. Did all he could to sabotage his own party then fucked off and took a peerage from Johnson. Not too keen on his new found allies against the 'hate marchers' by the looks of it. Fuck him.

 
bluethrunthru said:
Had to be there for some reason though - I mean who goes for a stroll around town in a beret sporting the regimental cockade?
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To quote Spike Milligan everybody has to be somewhere. We can only guess when it was or why they were there a quick google tells you that Debenhams started to be demolished in May so the original claim is obviously false.
 
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