Middle East Conflict

[M18CTID]

Well there were a few experts on here who were convinced who was to blame when this news broke yesterday. So yes I agree, let's get the facts and let them be dealt with accordingly.

To be fair, I think everyone - including me - went all in on Israel when we heard the news last night. It wasn’t confined to just a few

 

[meltonblue]

I’ve read experts with no skin in the game putting forward plausible explanations for both, I don’t think anyone will know unless independent experts are allowed on the scene to investigate and I doubt that’ll ever happen.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

IMO the idf and Israeli gov social media is beyond unprofessional, they say stuff that is just wrong accidentally all the time on top of propaganda. It’s pretty clearly run by some people with very extreme views, and very little care for the weight of their tweets.

A few hundred metres is “just behind” when it comes to these rockets and missiles, they travel a long way with the initial stage so that if there’s a misfire, they don’t kill the people launching them. So that seems fine.

If anything hospital being told to evacuate and the international furore and backlash over that demand makes it less likely to be Israel because it’s terrible PR.


I’m not saying anything is for certain, I just think the balance of evidence is tipping one way.

Ah so you think the IDF accidentally posted that tweet and it was just a coincidence that a hospital was bombed just before.

That's some coincidence isn't it. You don't really believe that do you?

 

[trueblue1972]

Ah, that’s Al Shifa that they alleged was the hq. They made that statement a while ago though (as in nearly a decade ago), not sure if they’ve said about it again recently.

He was being pressed about a land offensive, and would they leave the hospital alone The spokesperson wouldn't rule it put and repated that they were going after hammas

 

[Ducado]

I am still puzzled by Bidens visit today on the face of it, he’s inflamed the situation and seriously pissed off moderate Arab countries

Unless there was behind the scenes talks to prevent a ground incursion, and the visit was part of the deal, it’s all very strange

 

[urban genie]

It landed in a packed car park, plenty of extra boom already there, god knows what else was stored there too. It wasn't a JDAM anyway going off the lack of a huge crater and a demolished building.

JDAMs have an airburst function on the MK 83 and 84 models, there wouldn't necessarily be a crator, no one knows for sure if it was a misfire or the IDF, both will claim the other did it, but fforxsure no one on bluemoon can say either way who it was as nothing on social media not even geoconfirmed (whos thread on it was sketchy to fuck and guesswork) know for sure, I mean one video posted on twitter claiming it was footage was from 2002

 

[Dax777]

Biden may want a two state solution, but Netanyahu doesn’t want one and getting rid of Israeli settlements will be portrayed as Hamas winning and spark civil strife in Israel. Hamas doesn’t want a two state solution either.

Netanyahu and Hamas have driven both peoples up a blind ally where the only option left is hostility and death.

Not sure there is a way forward with any of the current leadership in charge.

Difference between Hamas and Not-in-yahoo is that the former is a Dictator and the latter can and most likely will get voted out once this present response is completed

 

[domalino]

Ah so you think the IDF accidentally posted that tweet and it was just a coincidence that a hospital was bombed just before.

That's some coincidence isn't it. You don't really believe that do you?

No I think the people behind the idf twitter accounts would gladly take responsibility for a bombing they didn’t do because they’re unprofessional and bloodthirsty.

Ultimately there’s enough proper militaries in the region a- US, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran - that an Israeli missile would be tracked all the way from launch to impact and someone would have spilled the beans.

Plus Biden’s trip was already risky before, there’s no way he goes if the USA weren’t sure it wasn’t Israel.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Yet you keep blaming Israel and are adamant they are at fault...

Wrong. Yesterday I thought the balance of probability and evidence indiacated it was isreal. Then you and others pointed out IJ had rockets that could do yhat kind of damage. Now I'm undecided . There is an awful lot that still doesnt stack up especially on the IDF side. I don't see how anyone can be certain it wasng the IDF.

 

[Dax777]

Well if you were Hamas and you were aware of what rockets you and your terrorist friends were launching . Ie no big ones. Then you would pretty quickly be able to establish that it wasn't your side would you not??

Assuming it was a big rocket that hit. Which it wasn't. Sure. But now that we've seen the damage, we know it could have been done by the kinds of rockets their nutty friends try to fire