Middle East Conflict

[trueblue1972]

It wasn’t, Al Ahli got hit on Saturday too.

I'm thinking of a hospital that I had seen an interview about where the isreali spokesman had said that hammas headquarters was believed to be underneath , I didnt hear about the other so I'll accept that's possible.

 

[Dax777]

Of course Hamas are “wrong” I could not agree more but they are but a symptom, and you are concentrating on getting rid of the symptom rather than the cause

It depends on what you call a symptom I suppose. I think the like of Hamas is what scares isreal into policing everything going into Gaza. Which gives the "appearance" of treating a country like a jail. But even with all the policing these guys import rockets and launch them at will.

But for a group whose declared goal is to destroy Israel and set up an Islamic Caliphate of Palestine, Israel would simply have a neighbor no different than Jordan.

So calling Hamas a symptom misses the mark in my humble opinion. It is a part of the cause which yes I agree Isreal's actions are also a part of the cause.

The oppressive occupation of the West Bank and treating Gaza as an open air prison is equally wrong, should Palestinians be treated as 2nd class citizens, have their land taken, have detention without trial

I'm with you on West Bank, and if this will ever get solved it would include Israel leveling all those Settlements in the West Bank. Which would be a hard sell. But Gaza? That's mostly the effects of Hamas and it's ideology.

We forget now, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2004. They evicted their citizens and moved them out. Then a terrorist group founded as a break-off of the Muslim Brotherhood won election and took over the place. Booted out Fatha and has ruled like despots.

 

[meltonblue]

I'm thinking of a hospital that I had seen an interview about where the isreali spokesman had said that hammas headquarters was believed to be underneath , I didnt hear about the other so I'll accept that's possible.

Ah, that’s Al Shifa that they alleged was the hq. They made that statement a while ago though (as in nearly a decade ago), not sure if they’ve said about it again recently.

 

[Roachy]

All you have is speculation. I'm asking for facts about this incident and getting nothing to the contrary.
That is especially telling.

Well there were a few experts on here who were convinced who was to blame when this news broke yesterday. So yes I agree, let's get the facts and let them be dealt with accordingly.

 

[GH64]

saying you support a 2 state solution is easy until you actually realise that means bulldozing the 244+ Israeli settlements built on Palestinian land.

Because you can’t expect Palestinians to accept a 2 state solution where Israel takes even more of their land than they had 35 years ago.

That’s why Likud and Netenyahu built them, they know it makes a 2 state soliton impossible.

And everyone knows that, so actually saying you support a 2 state solution is meaningless at best, and at worst means you support the status quo.

You wouldn't need to bulldoze them, the Palestinians need the houses.
In a negotiated settlement then the Palestinians would be giving up the claim to Israel, so it would be a small price to pay.
In my head anyway.

 

[domalino]

How do you explain the deleted tweets by the IDF, the previous attacks and munitions found at the hospital and the warnings the hospital management say they received that they were a target and should evacuate. Is it all staged and lies?

The IDF has also said that the terrorists were launching missiles from directly behind the hospital and then releasing a map showing the rockets being launched hundreds of meters away.

I can see quite a few inconsistencies in the IDF explanation?

IMO the idf and Israeli gov social media is beyond unprofessional, they say stuff that is just wrong accidentally all the time on top of propaganda. It’s pretty clearly run by some people with very extreme views, and very little care for the weight of their tweets.

A few hundred metres is “just behind” when it comes to these rockets and missiles, they travel a long way with the initial stage so that if there’s a misfire, they don’t kill the people launching them. So that seems fine.

If anything hospital being told to evacuate and the international furore and backlash over that demand makes it less likely to be Israel because it’s terrible PR.


I’m not saying anything is for certain, I just think the balance of evidence is tipping one way.

 

[Metal Biker]

How about the isreali IDF tweet saying they had struck a hospital that was hiding hamas terrorists. Which was then quickly deleted. That's a fact. Why would you post that just after the attack and then delete it?? Please explain what has happened here in your opinion.

The senior IDF guy who posted it was responsible for disseminating social media information on behalf of the IDF. It was his job. It wasnt exactly a random tweet by someone not in the know was it?

If this is the same guy we're speaking about, he later admitted to not being given the full facts, jumping to conclusions and removed the tweet as he didn't wish to misinform.

Sound familiar? It also does not address the fact that: the rocket was NOT Israeli. NOT fired by Israel. NOT intended to hit the al Alhi Arab Hospital and didn't hit the hospital at all. It's not the gotcha you think it is and doesn't do anything to absolve Islamic Jihad's suspicions of being responsible either. Again, you are basing your entire justification on a TWEET.

You REALLY want Israel to have been responsible for this, don't you.

 

[Dax777]

Come on. I should have said part of it was flattened but the damage was definitely more than a few cars. First reports widely reported a number of strikes, so if it wasn’t Palestinian rockets it must have been more than one? Or were those initial reports wrong? Genuine question. But as I was trying to say no one knows what is true or false at the moment.

I still personally think it’s more likely to be Israel.

Yes, those initial response were wrong. Or misstated perhaps. There were multiple rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. Then the explosion happened. These is video of this.


There were no secondary explosions. So it definitely wasn't multiple strikes.

 

[Metal Biker]

Not according to ITN at 6.30 tonight. I am pretty sure they said it was the same hospital? But even so it proves the IDFs subsequent claim that they don't target hospitals as not true, does it not.

No, not at all. It's one person who made a dumb tweet and then deleted it.

 

[Metal Biker]

Way to many inconsistencies in both sides stories to come to any conclusion imo.

Yet you keep blaming Israel and are adamant they are at fault...