The Conservative Party

[Gundoggin]

Latest poll tonight
Labour 48%
Tories 19%

Let’s just have a general election ffs

 

[Debaser]

What was it he did as PM between 2010 and 2015 that led you to think he was pretty competent and statesman-like?

Managinf to shift the blame of tory policy onto the lib Dems and washing your hands of any accountability (despite accountability being one of the loudest arguments used for conservativism) was incredibly statesman like.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Yeah, but sadly the business of government is being ignored while they factionalise and backbite and bad mouth each other.
I think we deserve better and we must never forget this debacle of a party and an administration.

Reality is that the way the government have acted, they’ve got nothing left to give and what we’re seeing is basically a closedown of anything good for this country.

We can now see the disaster that is with us, now we have to expect further stuff that will take us deeper into the mire.

Basically, enjoy your shitshow, we’re all in this together.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

Reality is that the way the government have acted, they’ve got nothing left to give and what we’re seeing is basically a closedown of anything good for this country.

We can now see the disaster that is with us, now we have to expect further stuff that will take us deeper into the mire.

Basically, enjoy your shitshow, we’re all in this together.

Please let us know a period of Tory rule which hasn't resulted in a shit show for the rest of us

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

Is Cameron up to something and playing the long game here? With all the money he has being foreign secretary for a year won’t enhance his bank balance, all this crap about wanting to serve the country again doesn’t wash if you look at what he did to lead us towards the disaster which was brexit.

The Tories will be wiped out by January 2025, they will have two choices. Keep going down the racist gammon little England pathway under the stewardship of Sue Ellen as leader. Then there’s the other way of returning back to broadchurch Conservatism which Cameron managed to wrestle away the keys to number ten from New Labour. Cameron isn’t doing this to help out poor Rishi, he wants something which is having his political party back.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Is Cameron up to something and playing the long game here? With all the money he has being foreign secretary for a year won’t enhance his bank balance, all this crap about wanting to serve the country again doesn’t wash if you look at what he did to lead us towards the disaster which was brexit.

The Tories will be wiped out by January 2025, they will have two choices. Keep going down the racist gammon little England pathway under the stewardship of Sue Ellen as leader. Then there’s the other way of returning back to broadchurch Conservatism which Cameron managed to wrestle away the keys to number ten from New Labour. Cameron isn’t doing this to help out poor Rishi, he wants something which is having his political party back.

It’s not ridiculous to think he fancies another go at leader in 2025.

In many ways I’m fine with that.

Starmer vs Cameron would be a refreshing return to sensible politics.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

It’s not ridiculous to think he fancies another go at leader in 2025.

In many ways I’m fine with that.

Starmer vs Cameron would be a refreshing return to sensible politics.

The tories are already planning on post election wipeout reform. The two wings of the party are drifting apart and Cameron coming back is part of that power struggle. Its the moderate wing trying to beef up the appeal to moderate voters.

The shape of the party post election will depend on who survives the cull. All seats are now in play and the next leader has to win their seat first and hope enough of their supporters also win.

 

[Ducado]

The tories are already planning on post election wipeout reform. The two wings of the party are drifting apart and Cameron coming back is part of that power struggle. Its the moderate wing trying to beef up the appeal to moderate voters.

The shape of the party post election will depend on who survives the cull. All seats are now in play and the next leader has to win their seat first and hope enough of their supporters also win.

The problem for them is the grassroots of the party has been taken over by UKIP, you won’t get selected to stand unless you are very right wing, unless someone gets a grip they are going to destroy themselves, it’s lovely to watch

 

[johnnytapia]

Please let us know a period of Tory rule which hasn't resulted in a shit show for the rest of us

Think the Macmillan government is generally considered to have been a good one for the majority of people.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The problem for them is the grassroots of the party has been taken over by UKIP, you won’t get selected to stand unless you are very right wing, unless someone gets a grip they are going to destroy themselves, it’s lovely to watch

True but its a very undemocratic model. All the power is in the head office. When it comes to leader it only goes to members if the MPs can't decide themselves. Its lining up for a full on civil war as the members and tory press are full loony. Given half the chance they would have Boris back, or Liz.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

It’s not ridiculous to think he fancies another go at leader in 2025.

In many ways I’m fine with that.

Starmer vs Cameron would be a refreshing return to sensible politics.

I think it is.
To be PM, Cameron would now need to resign his peerage before somehow getting elected.
Can't see that happening.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

The tories are already planning on post election wipeout reform. The two wings of the party are drifting apart and Cameron coming back is part of that power struggle. Its the moderate wing trying to beef up the appeal to moderate voters.

The shape of the party post election will depend on who survives the cull. All seats are now in play and the next leader has to win their seat first and hope enough of their supporters also win.

If you want to be electable to the British public you have to take the middle ground. Labour’s jump left resulted in them losing election after election since 2010. Starmer realises this and wants to move away from what was set out under Corbyn and Ed Milliband.

The Tories were infiltrated by UKIP in 2019 which resulted in some talentless chancers managing to get ministerial positions way above their ability. Which resulted in the Truss premiership which made us a whole lot poorer in the space of 40 days. A massive victory for Johnson last election has been obliterated by fuck up after fuck up which will result in probably the biggest electoral swing in British politics in history. The Tory party if they want power back in the 2030s need to move away from this death stall of populist politics.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I think it is.
To be PM, Cameron would now need to resign his peerage before somehow getting elected.
Can't see that happening.

He could be PM from the House of Lords, Marquess of Salisbury was the last person to do it 1902. Lord Home did it but then renounced his peerage. The arrangement that he has now that allows him to be Foreign Secretary probably means he could be PM and not sit in the commons. Remember this is the Conservative Party who illegally shut down Parliament, they don’t care about rules and laws to get what they want.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Is Cameron up to something and playing the long game here? With all the money he has being foreign secretary for a year won’t enhance his bank balance, all this crap about wanting to serve the country again doesn’t wash if you look at what he did to lead us towards the disaster which was brexit.

The Tories will be wiped out by January 2025, they will have two choices. Keep going down the racist gammon little England pathway under the stewardship of Sue Ellen as leader. Then there’s the other way of returning back to broadchurch Conservatism which Cameron managed to wrestle away the keys to number ten from New Labour. Cameron isn’t doing this to help out poor Rishi, he wants something which is having his political party back.

I suspect the same thing. He's got the gravitas to be elected leader again and I could see him taking a safe Tory seat "For the sake of democracy", or some other PR bollocks.

Wouldn't surprise me if it's purely a Bullingdon club thing.

His nemesis Johnson wants to be a 2 times PM.

 

[TinFoilHat]

I think it is.
To be PM, Cameron would now need to resign his peerage before somehow getting elected.
Can't see that happening.

He'd happily resign it when his accounts are due to be made public for the role.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

He could be PM from the House of Lords, Marquess of Salisbury was the last person to do it 1902. Lord Home did it but then renounced his peerage. The arrangement that he has now that allows him to be Foreign Secretary probably means he could be PM and not sit in the commons. Remember this is the Conservative Party who illegally shut down Parliament, they don’t care about rules and laws to get what they want.

I know it has happened a long time ago - the electoral system has changed somewhat since then.
I don't think it's tenable nowadays.

Douglas-Home is a rather more relevant precedent, resigning a peerage to become an MP.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

He'd happily resign it when his accounts are due to be made public for the role.

While he probably doesn't have many rivals to be the best leader option in terms of skills, I don't think it would play well to be made a lord for a year or so and then quit.

I think he'd suffer from the Brexit referendum though - he wasn't pro-Brexit so won't be popular with either side of that argument.

 

[Ducado]

He could be PM from the House of Lords, Marquess of Salisbury was the last person to do it 1902. Lord Home did it but then renounced his peerage. The arrangement that he has now that allows him to be Foreign Secretary probably means he could be PM and not sit in the commons. Remember this is the Conservative Party who illegally shut down Parliament, they don’t care about rules and laws to get what they want.

It’s unlikely, the party is so fractured and grassroots are now rabid right wing, who hate him

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

I know it has happened a long time ago - the electoral system has changed somewhat since then.
I don't think it's tenable nowadays.

Douglas-Home is a rather more relevant precedent, resigning a peerage to become an MP.

I think we will see how this plays out if he is parachuted into a safe seat come election time. I don’t think he would be that arsed about his peerage with the money he turns over from his business interests. He was age wise a young pm first time round, sitting writing his memoirs since 2016 has made him hungry to do it again. With this move opportunity knocks.

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Inflation has been ‘halved’.

Unfortunately, according to a Survation study only 23% of the public understand that this means pricing are still continuing to increase.