PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Ric said:
Not sure what Tolmie has heard, but worth posting if only to get back on topic!

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He's heard what I've been telling the forum all along. That there are essentially just three substantive charges, plus the consequent ones deriving from those three (failure to provide accurate accounts, which then impacts PL cost control rules and UEFA's FFP).

The three are:
  1. Mancini's Al Jazira contract. Red herring and UEFA also knew about it in 2018.
  2. Image rights payments. UEFA knew about this by 2015 & it was resolved.
  3. Sponsorship revenue, probably the Etisalat contract that was time-barred. Again, UEFA knew about that and had agreed there was no issue.
If none of those can be proven then the rest automatically fail.

Multiply that by multiple rules and multiple years to get the magic 115 number.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
He's heard what I've been telling the forum all along. That there are essentially just three substantive charges, plus the consequent ones deriving from those three (failure to provide accurate accounts, which then impacts PL cost control rules and UEFA's FFP).

The three are:
  1. Mancini's Al Jazira contract. Red herring and UEFA also knew about it in 2018.
  2. Image rights payments. UEFA knew about this by 2015 & it was resolved.
  3. Sponsorship revenue, probably the Etisalat contract that was time-barred. Again, UEFA knew about that and had agreed there was no issue.
If none of those can be proven then the rest automatically fail.

Multiply that by multiple rules and multiple years to get the magic 115 number.
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How stupid are the PL
Why did they let the press run with the 115 BS when they knew 3 is all they had
 
BlueRockape said:
How stupid are the PL
Why did they let the press run with the 115 BS when they knew 3 is all they had
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115 has a much better shock value to it, if they were confident in what they were doing they wouldn’t have needed to frame it up like it is. They have tried to go digging and throw some mud, even though it will fail eventually they have smeared the clubs name.
 
Manchester_lalala said:
They’ve got nothing to counter our witnesses. That not denial or bias, but how are they going to counter head of staff at the likes of Etihad and Etisalat? It isn’t happening.
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Purely speculating, of course, but I guess if the PL had, say, a whistleblower witness of their own that could potentially counter our evidence. I doubt they have, but you'd imagine they must have something that gave them confidence to proceed with such serious charges. Unless the aim really was just to smear our name, as some have claimed, but it will be more reputationally damaging to the PL if the charges are thrown out. If they've just been railroaded into this by certain clubs then their credibility is shot.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
He's heard what I've been telling the forum all along. That there are essentially just three substantive charges, plus the consequent ones deriving from those three (failure to provide accurate accounts, which then impacts PL cost control rules and UEFA's FFP).

The three are:
  1. Mancini's Al Jazira contract. Red herring and UEFA also knew about it in 2018.
  2. Image rights payments. UEFA knew about this by 2015 & it was resolved.
  3. Sponsorship revenue, probably the Etisalat contract that was time-barred. Again, UEFA knew about that and had agreed there was no issue.
If none of those can be proven then the rest automatically fail.

Multiply that by multiple rules and multiple years to get the magic 115 number.
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Agreed, but don't forget the alleged breaches for non co-operation.
 
Ric said:
Purely speculating, of course, but I guess if the PL had, say, a whistleblower witness of their own that could potentially counter our evidence. I doubt they have, but you'd imagine they must have something that gave them confidence to proceed with such serious charges. Unless the aim really was just to smear our name, as some have claimed, but it will be more reputationally damaging to the PL if the charges are thrown out. If they've just been railroaded into this by certain clubs then their credibility is shot.
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I had thought about at the very beginning of this, but for the sponsorships such a whistle-blower would most likely have to come from a former or past employee of ADUG, Etihad or Etisalat. I doubt very much anyone from those organisations is blowing any whistles on Mansour. Possibly Mancini, Yaya or his agent for the other two issues? But all have distanced themselves and neither of those issues really impacts the accounts out of a true and fair view, as I understand them.

I may be wrong, but I really do wonder if the geniuses at the PL knew what they were letting themselves in for with their list of alleged breaches.....
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
He's heard what I've been telling the forum all along. That there are essentially just three substantive charges, plus the consequent ones deriving from those three (failure to provide accurate accounts, which then impacts PL cost control rules and UEFA's FFP).

The three are:
  1. Mancini's Al Jazira contract. Red herring and UEFA also knew about it in 2018.
  2. Image rights payments. UEFA knew about this by 2015 & it was resolved.
  3. Sponsorship revenue, probably the Etisalat contract that was time-barred. Again, UEFA knew about that and had agreed there was no issue.
If none of those can be proven then the rest automatically fail.

Multiply that by multiple rules and multiple years to get the magic 115 number.
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Its clear , i think, that the prem/red shirts were hoping enough mud sticks to cause some damage. But given the financial results weve just published thats not happened.
I would imagine our business model is way beyond playground name calling and shit stirring.

Oh well. Nice try
 
halfcenturyup said:
I had thought about at the very beginning of this, but for the sponsorships such a whistle-blower would most likely have to come from a former or past employee of ADUG, Etihad or Etisalat. I doubt very much anyone from those organisations is blowing any whistles on Mansour. Possibly Mancini, Yaya or his agent for the other two issues? But all have distanced themselves and neither of those issues really impacts the accounts out of a true and fair view, as I understand them.

I may be wrong, but I really do wonder if the geniuses at the PL knew what they were letting themselves in for with their list of alleged breaches.....
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In this day and age the chances of a whistleblower going to the relevant authorities in total confidentiality without a whisper reaching social media or the WhatsApp fantasists is far fetched to say the least
 
I'm pretty convinced that everything that happened since 2007 was a dream. I just hope that when we awake Sinatra will bring the good days back.
 
Ric said:
Purely speculating, of course, but I guess if the PL had, say, a whistleblower witness of their own that could potentially counter our evidence. I doubt they have, but you'd imagine they must have something that gave them confidence to proceed with such serious charges. Unless the aim really was just to smear our name, as some have claimed, but it will be more reputationally damaging to the PL if the charges are thrown out. If they've just been railroaded into this by certain clubs then their credibility is shot.
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It's possible as none of us know the inner workings of the club so can't 100% discount that scenario but remember we have been here before with UEFA and the run-up to the CAS hearing. Many of us were speculating back then that UEFA might have more evidence against us than the e-mails themselves, given that they were as good as saying that via leaks to the press, but in the end it turned out that they didn't which was utterly laughable really. So I guess that if UEFA can be so stupid to charge us - and subsequently ban and fine us - then the PL can too.
 
Ric said:
Purely speculating, of course, but I guess if the PL had, say, a whistleblower witness of their own that could potentially counter our evidence. I doubt they have, but you'd imagine they must have something that gave them confidence to proceed with such serious charges. Unless the aim really was just to smear our name, as some have claimed, but it will be more reputationally damaging to the PL if the charges are thrown out. If they've just been railroaded into this by certain clubs then their credibility is shot.
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History is littered with seemingly big companies , With big leaders, making terrible decisions

The new loan rule absolutely and utterly spells out in huge capital letters what the agenda is
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
He's heard what I've been telling the forum all along. That there are essentially just three substantive charges, plus the consequent ones deriving from those three (failure to provide accurate accounts, which then impacts PL cost control rules and UEFA's FFP).

The three are:
  1. Mancini's Al Jazira contract. Red herring and UEFA also knew about it in 2018.
  2. Image rights payments. UEFA knew about this by 2015 & it was resolved.
  3. Sponsorship revenue, probably the Etisalat contract that was time-barred. Again, UEFA knew about that and had agreed there was no issue.
If none of those can be proven then the rest automatically fail.

Multiply that by multiple rules and multiple years to get the magic 115 number.
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So,compared with what Chelsea are alleged to have done,these are minor.Theres a real story there but tossers like Wallace and Herbert don't go there.
Interesting video with our chums Parry and Jordan on the birth of the Pl which clearly had a tone of mutual familiarity between them which maybe explains Jordan,s continual denigration of our Club.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
History is littered with seemingly big companies , With big leaders, making terrible decisions

The new loan rule absolutely and utterly spells out in huge capital letters what the agenda is
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The PL found themselves between a rock and a hard place. Under immense pressure from the history boys to investigate these charges, and under the threat of an independent regulatory body they simply had to act. The risk was that the history boys pushed for the independent regulator instead - I'm sure that was threatened. So they took action. I don't think the PL lose any credibility if no charges are brought against us. They just say that the fair and impartial review deemed the club innocent of all charges.

Part of the job has been done by just bringing charges upon us. It's meant that supporters of the history boys are convinced we're guilty and will still be convinced if and when we are found innocent. Yes they'd love for us to be relegated, stripped of titles and ruined as a club but reputational damage is still a big win for those in the boardroom.
 
Ric said:
Purely speculating, of course, but I guess if the PL had, say, a whistleblower witness of their own that could potentially counter our evidence. I doubt they have, but you'd imagine they must have something that gave them confidence to proceed with such serious charges. Unless the aim really was just to smear our name, as some have claimed, but it will be more reputationally damaging to the PL if the charges are thrown out. If they've just been railroaded into this by certain clubs then their credibility is shot.
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what credibility? Everyone knows and has known for some time that the pl works at the behest of certain clubs, the rags and the dippers were allowed to interview the current chief exec and this is how the yanks operate, when they cant match on a level playing field they immediately go down the litigation route, its yank business 101 when you cant win, sue.
 
supercity88 said:
The PL found themselves between a rock and a hard place. Under immense pressure from the history boys to investigate these charges, and under the threat of an independent regulatory body they simply had to act. The risk was that the history boys pushed for the independent regulator instead - I'm sure that was threatened. So they took action. I don't think the PL lose any credibility if no charges are brought against us. They just say that the fair and impartial review deemed the club innocent of all charges.

Part of the job has been done by just bringing charges upon us. It's meant that supporters of the history boys are convinced we're guilty and will still be convinced if and when we are found innocent. Yes they'd love for us to be relegated, stripped of titles and ruined as a club but reputational damage is still a big win for those in the boardroom.
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And that's exactly the same position as UEFA were in. We know for an absolute fact that Ceferin was desperately trying to keep the cartel clubs happy, by getting us to plead guilty to what were described to me by a senior member of staff as 'technical accounting breaches' and accept a token fine. But he also knew they really had fuck all on us, and not much that would stick, so he had to try to keep us happy as well.

We refused to be the meat in the sandwich and effectively won at CAS. I'm confident we'll see pretty much the same outcome here (that we'll fight and win, rather than be cleared by CAS I mean).
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
And that's exactly the same position as UEFA were in. We know for an absolute fact that Ceferin was desperately trying to keep the cartel clubs happy, by getting us to plead guilty to what were described to me by a senior member of staff as 'technical accounting breaches' and accept a token fine. But he also knew they really had fuck all on us, and not much that would stick, so he had to try to keep us happy as well.

We refused to be the meat in the sandwich and effectively won at CAS. I'm confident we'll see pretty much the same outcome here (that we'll fight and win, rather than be cleared by CAS I mean).
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and the pl and all the red shirt clubs will cry foul, this is what happens when a bully picks on someone bigger than themselves or in our case someone with way deeper pockets
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
And that's exactly the same position as UEFA were in. We know for an absolute fact that Ceferin was desperately trying to keep the cartel clubs happy, by getting us to plead guilty to what were described to me by a senior member of staff as 'technical accounting breaches' and accept a token fine. But he also knew they really had fuck all on us, and not much that would stick, so he had to try to keep us happy as well.

We refused to be the meat in the sandwich and effectively won at CAS. I'm confident we'll see pretty much the same outcome here (that we'll fight and win, rather than be cleared by CAS I mean).
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They new it would take years to get an outcome and the media every month could write an article about it and every media outlet can praise us then at the end say but.. 115

Just hope when we are cleared Khaldoon will go to town on the media and certain clubs..
 
I think they have fack all on us now or nothing that will stick,they just want all this hanging over us the coonts.Sooner all later it will have to be resolved but when ?
 
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