PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

We don't know, we can only infer how long it will take. If you read CAS you can see the level of detail the UEFA lawyers went down to, ie they scrutinised selected transactions over a limited time. The PL charges relate to 10 years of finanancial reporting and the investigation took 4 years to complete.

I posted this "simulated" scenario re Etisalat....

Maybe the PL witchhunt works like this, the PL lawyers scrutinise every single sponsorship financial transaction from all MCFC bank accounts (in chronological order) to drive the case.

So for example, 01/04/11 MCFC received a payment of £15M into the clubs current account. The "PL" believe this was sent by the owner of MCFC as disguised equity funding and was concealed in the annual accounts ie reported as sponsorship funds from Etisalat and therefore is a breach of PL rules. So in defence MCFC provide documentary evidence proving the sponsorship agreement between MCFC and Etisalat, call on executive officers of both parties to corroborate the agreement and provide evidence from the banks of the sender of the funds. So where does the argument go then ?, the PL lawyers have only one option ie to accuse the defence of dishonesty during the hearing. So then the PL lawyers could spend copious amounts of time discussing the integrity and honesty of the witnesses, the sponsors, accountants, auditors and the MCFC legal advisors throughout the ten year period.

WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG ?...
In my previous post above I've outlined a scenario for one transaction. This is the level of resolution the PL lawyers will be compelled to go down to given the nature of the charges. However to do this for every sponsorship and image right transaction (there could be hundreds in a decade) will be highly time consuming. We don't know the structure of the PL case and how the hearing will be conducted, ie will it be purely chronological ? For example, if the Ethihad sponsorship is validated in FY 2012-2013 does it have to be revalidated again for all the remaining FYs, my guess is Yes. This is why it could take to many years and millions of pounds to resolve. My question has never been answered, who is paying the PL legal expenses ? and has the full cost of the entire investigation into MCFC (now 6 years) ever been disclosed in the PL accounts filed at Companies House.
 
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Here's a question. Are our presumably MASSIVE (sic) legal expenses included in FFP calculations? I assume not but I'd also assume they will be in the P&L figures.
 
I would say that they have caused reputational damage. It's not impacted us financially perhaps, but in a sporting context the success we have had has been caveated by the charges. Instead of just celebrating our success it was "City, who face 115 charges" repeated in every article or on every radio station.

We could just get on with it and not care what rival fans or the media think, but I personally do.
Your choice it will never change. If it wasn’t 115 it would be something else. It’s what footy fans do even City fans.
 
I think that when we are cleared Khaldoon will go after the red tops and other hangers on and put a dagger through the heart of the super league. This would kill it for good.
 
Your choice it will never change. If it wasn’t 115 it would be something else. It’s what footy fans do even City fans.

No you're quite right. I think if it was simply tribal rivalry and throwing "oil money" and that sort of idiotic thing our way I wouldn't give a shit. But questioning our sporting integrity on the basis of a load of nonsense charges we've already been through and dealt with is a real frustration. Particularly as you have so many "experts" who clearly haven't even read the CAS verdict or managed to look into what these charges relate to. I'm just off to watch the FA Cup and CL final highlights again to get over it.
 
Would still be nice to be respected for what the club as achieved though, especially in our own country.
Yes I do get that and I agree. We don’t need it to win trophies though. They know how well we are run it just doesn’t suit their agenda. It’s better to be successful than popular even in today’s media obsessed days.
 
I know what you mean but disagree. When our owners started to transform the club and demonstrate our business model was working, Arsenal, United and Liverpool had a choice. They could either copy us or try to stop us moving forward with the plan.

Thank God they chose the latter. At the time there were quite a few sports economic papers published pointing this out. Even better they had multiple time periods to review their failed decision and turn back. There was a tipping point about 5 years ago where it was their last chance to catch and then overtake City using their historical popularity to their advantage, and all three carried on down the road to nowhere refusing to invest in their own clubs.

We are now the strongest football club in the World both on and off the pitch.There is no reputational damage at all except in fans heads and the press. The Club, in the time this has been going on, has won 17 major trophies has the highest revenue in football and is the biggest brand overtaking Real Madrid and Barcelona. City are now expanding the area around the stadium in addition to the stadium itself. They own or have a controlling Interest in 13 clubs around the World. Contrast those huge achievements with the clubs that tried to stop us…how have they got on? Did it work?

The red clubs have put enormous effort into trying to stop us and, at the same time, have slipped further and further behind until they are now too late.

So what is left? Surely the supporters of those clubs would be furious at their own club? Well one set is but the others….not so much. What can they do to distract people from their abject failure to tackle City correctly when they had the chance?

The answer is to create a situation whereby fans believe huge reputational damage has been done to City from which they will ultimately never recover. “We called them cheats, we said they had no history, we said nasty owners” It didn’t cost them a penny.

It’s a shame that some of our own fans believe we are losing an important battle but it doesn’t make any difference. City decided to be “best in class” in all areas and it’s worked quicker than they expected because nobody effectively challenged them In the way they thought. Jesus…Khaldoon even told them at one point “we are not responsible for your failures” and “just accept we are here” He was basically saying if you don’t like it copy us If you think you are losing out.

City fans often say why don’t the club sue this person or that person for lying…not a warning, actually do it. The reason they don’t is because City will not get involved in battles that do not matter to them. They focus on the plan and move forward, ever evolving.

City will never tell its own fans not to get upset about the press, they will hope they notice that it hasn’t worked and enjoy the success but, in the end, even that doesn’t matter to them either, it’s not their job.

People will believe what they want to believe but the facts are what matter. City have played it beautifully.

As for the other clubs well they should thank their lucky stars football has loyal customers. In any other businesses their boards would have been fired by the shareholders years ago for failing to respond to the challenge and instead claiming victory by way of reuputational damage while their clubs sank without trace.

It doesn’t look like a big win for them because it isn’t, quite the opposite in fact.
quote " it's a sad day for football"
tells you all you need to know
 
The PL found themselves between a rock and a hard place. Under immense pressure from the history boys to investigate these charges, and under the threat of an independent regulatory body they simply had to act. The risk was that the history boys pushed for the independent regulator instead - I'm sure that was threatened. So they took action. I don't think the PL lose any credibility if no charges are brought against us. They just say that the fair and impartial review deemed the club innocent of all charges.

Part of the job has been done by just bringing charges upon us. It's meant that supporters of the history boys are convinced we're guilty and will still be convinced if and when we are found innocent. Yes they'd love for us to be relegated, stripped of titles and ruined as a club but reputational damage is still a big win for those in the boardroom.
I have red mates , in good jobs, seemingly intelligent people, who truly believe that we paid CAS off to find us innocent. They wont have it any other way
 
Because that is one of the main reasons why these charges have been brought so that our achievements are smeared in the eyes of all the other clubs. Oh and why the aggressive fucking tone?
Yeah, sorry, was a tad over the top.
Just think we should just shrug our collective shoulders and let it all drift over us.
 
I would say that they have caused reputational damage. It's not impacted us financially perhaps, but in a sporting context the success we have had has been caveated by the charges. Instead of just celebrating our success it was "City, who face 115 charges" repeated in every article or on every radio station.

We could just get on with it and not care what rival fans or the media think, but I personally do.
When im away i see more and more kids in city kits. In greece, in spain, on the south coast. Foreign kids with haaland kits on, kids down south whos dads are chelsea fans lost their kids to city.
At my lads footy training last night a dad who is a red, his son is city. “I had no chance” he said

Beyond grown men on fb shouting CHEAT, i dont think the damage is even an after thought for the club in that sense
 
The worry for me, much like with UEFA, is that this isn't a fair fight. We clearly identified UEFA's agenda and didn't play ball - hence the fine from CAS as widely reported. What didn't see daylight is CAS' statement regarding their concerns about the leaks from UEFA. CAS have to believe UEFA are impartial as it's a fundamental of any sporting body. But it's so far from the truth. And I worry the PL panel could similarly decide it's happy enough to find guilt without real evidence.
When my red pal said we were found guilty i explained and proved that we were only guilty of not dealing with uefa and went straight to CAS.

“Bollocks” was his reply :))
 
Yeah, sorry, was a tad over the top.
Just think we should just shrug our collective shoulders and let it all drift over us.
We shouldn't give a flying one about what the other clubs fans think but unfortunately it's really tedious when pundits and opposition fans have all made their collective minds up that we are cheats because they all believe the shite that has been thrown at us for so long now. We need to clear our name although unfortunately that probably wont make a lot of difference, shit sticks and there will always be a reason, other than we are a fantastically ran club with a brilliant team, as to why we have blown every other club out of the water.
 

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