Middle East Conflict

arbabarshad said:
People still supporting Israel in their genocidal murder are complicit in their actions. Whether that support is through words or action.

People who say "Neither Hamas, Nor israel want a two state solution so where do you go next?" Israel help create Hamas to do their bidding of working against a two state solution. Because it was Israel who did not want a 2 state solution.

Israel's actions right now are trying to eliminate everyone from one side so no one is left to ask for a 2nd state. And Israel can create one state and rule over it.

People on here claimed Israel won land in wars since 1948 so its fair they kept grabbing more land as it was spoils of the war. Well, perhaps it was phony wars like the one going on right now, used as tools to grab land all those years ago as well.
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The two state solution is the only one that works, it would be nice to have a combined state but that’s not going to happen,or carry on have now which I don’t think is sustainable
 
Ducado said:
The two state solution is the only one that works, it would be nice to have a combined state but that’s not going to happen,or carry on have now which I don’t think is sustainable
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That may go a long way to satisfying the Palestinians but there is already a de-facto two state solution and Israel has not shown it can leave peacefully with it.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
We’ve now got people in here comparing fundamentalist Islamist murderous terrorists to Nelson Mandela. Really?

Let that one sink in.

Right that really is the last thing I’m saying…making my head spin some of you fucking weirdos.
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Mandela used violence to win freedom. The same western leaders who saw him as a terrorist are the same ones who sanitised him and the anc
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
We’ve now got people in here comparing fundamentalist Islamist murderous terrorists to Nelson Mandela. Really?

Let that one sink in.

Right that really is the last thing I’m saying…making my head spin some of you fucking weirdos.
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No different.
Both were/are fighting a racist, murderous, oppressive apartheid occupying regime that is stealing their land as we speak.
What's so difficult to understand?

You really need to do a bit of research on how the Israelis treat the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza before you start throwing your indignation about.

You're the fucking weirdo here.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
We’ve now got people in here comparing fundamentalist Islamist murderous terrorists to Nelson Mandela. Really?

Let that one sink in.

Right that really is the last thing I’m saying…making my head spin some of you fucking weirdos.
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Some posters are making some sense but some are hiding in plain sight mate.
 
Ducado said:
The two state solution is the only one that works, it would be nice to have a combined state but that’s not going to happen,or carry on have now which I don’t think is sustainable
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That two state solution is a theoretical approach without ANY sort of practical suggestion. A plan or a map? Zero.

Generations of international experts including my poor self have no clue how such a model could look like as the history and geography of the region makes it absolutely impossible to make both sides happy or maybe satisfied (the extremist parts on either side included, otherwise the borders will never be safe - and safety will be key to peace).

What I want to say is, we have to get very precise what we want, in detail. Before I don't get presented a " 2 state solution" I even refuse to be in favour of that. It's NOT a guarantee for peace, not at all.

The people involved are still the same, the tight area too as well as the neighbors, the history, the religion and the various interests of third parties around the world.

As I said before, I'm afraid we need the courage to think in a new and very open way to find a solution. We must stop looking back, make a cut now and care for the future.
Or we will go on in circles forever - and that's what will most probably happen.
 
When deciding whom to trust, bear in mind that the combination of consistently bad or egregiously inadequate behavior with frequent plays for your pity is as close to a warning mark on a conscienceless person’s forehead as you will ever be given.
 
St.Pauli support said:
That two state solution is a theoretical approach without ANY sort of practical suggestion. A plan or a map? Zero.

Generations of international experts including my poor self have no clue how such a model could look like as the history and geography of the region makes it absolutely impossible to make both sides happy or maybe satisfied (the extremist parts on either side included, otherwise the borders will never be safe - and safety will be key to peace).

What I want to say is, we have to get very precise what we want, in detail. Before I don't get presented a " 2 state solution" I even refuse to be in favour of that. It's NOT a guarantee for peace, not at all.

The people involved are still the same, the tight area too as well as the neighbors, the history, the religion and the various interests of third parties around the world.

As I said before, I'm afraid we need the courage to think in a new and very open way to find a solution. We must stop looking back, make a cut now and care for the future.
Or we will go on in circles forever - and that's what will most probably happen.
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Well it’s the only solution on the table unless Israel agrees to become a unified Arab\Jewish state and I can’t see that happening
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
We’ve now got people in here comparing fundamentalist Islamist murderous terrorists to Nelson Mandela. Really?

Let that one sink in.

Right that really is the last thing I’m saying…making my head spin some of you fucking weirdos.
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Haha. What you mean then is;

Muslim terrorist really bad

Other terrorist not so bad.

You can’t fucking pick and choose which ones you’d like to execute, either none or all.

This is the issue with those calling for the death penalty, sooner or later someone won’t fit into the ‘pigeon hole’ you want them all in.
 
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