PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[remember arthur mann]

No mate.

Stan Collymore and some headcase called Eugene saying we’re going to get bummed.

 

[Holcombe bloo]

I'm beginning to think that that European Super League wasn't tha bad an idea. We're going to be fucked over by the Premier league.

The ESL would be even more biased and loaded against us. It’s the only thing that would end me being a city fan if it happened

 

[give it to gordon]

Guilty or not the fallout is going to be huge !!

 

[BlueRockape]

I honestly haven't worried one jot about this or the UEFA case, although the initial decision from UEFA was a bit of a WTAF moment.

I have been a blue since I was first introduced to our fantastic club and fans in 1962.
No matter what happens they can't take one moment of that away from me.
CTID

 

[NMB]

Oh I wondered where this plastic scouser had gone. Chief journalist for sly sports.

When Covid was at its height and games were being postponed due to players having the virus the general tone of the club on the end of any postponement was “we wish everyone at clubX a speedy recovery, stay safe”. Everton were the only club to “demand full disclosure of the facts “ behind our postponement of their game.
Melissa should have pointed out how crass and classless they are.

 

[OB1]

Absolutely. City have insisted without wavering that we have broken no regulations, infringed no laws and did comply with UEFA regulations back in 2013 until UEFA moved to entrapment and City took the pinch. Any objective consideration of the personalities involved shows that Sheikh Mansour, Khaldoon and Ferran Soriano are respected internationally as businessmen with a record of long term investment and development. In no way do they have the profile of fraudsters. In every way the contrast with the miser Levy, with the seedy bunch at FSG and the dodgy Glazers is clear. Everywhere the scrupulous concern for propriety at City is at the opposite pole to the ruthless selfishness of corporate America. City MUST prevail, the hold of a bunch of clubs on English football MUST be broken and football MUST be allowed the investment it so needs. Having said all this I do retain my faith in our law, and I do believe the commission will be independent and it will find totally in City's favour. If it is perverse I do believe an appeal to the courts will be received and they will find in our favour.

Do the Premier League regulations allow for an appeal?

Whether they do or do not, if they should reach an incorrect decision and fly in the face of the burden of proof principles, I imagine City’s lawyers will attempt to resort to the courts. I am not not qualified to say if they would succeed in going down that route. I’d anticipate them winning if the route was open. But I’m an accountant not a lawyer.

 

[OntarioBlue]

Currently , today I'm not mithered. I just want them to bring a conclusion to it. I'm annoyed at our club for not defending this more publicly, I'm annoyed that the only pov on this is currently being given by our opposition fanbases and pundits, reporters. Relatively nothing from City podcasts, City media accounts.

Really disappointed if this goes on and on then we're found guilty. That will really piss me off with the club tbh. But that's what makes me think our club know this isn't going to result in any charges.

TBF, I think the Club’s position on this is, and always has been, perfectly clear and was restated again as recently as this week in the annual report. The league has brought its charges and the Club has refuted them. Now we have to wait for the lawyers and the Tribunal to do their jobs. Id prefer this to be sooner rather than later but it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

How can you be annoyed at the club for not defending this more publicly? If you are facing charges like City are, you simply do not say much before the case has concluded.

City are behaving in exactly the right way. I am sure that they have been very careful to keep their powder dry and hopefully they will deliver to the commission the irrefutable evidence they have said they have.

I think some people mistake City for Donald Trump.

We don’t counter-sue anyone taking us to court and we don’t ban journalists from our ground. (Roan aside)

We don’t drain the swamp, we just win there.

 

[Dannyblue52]

Tell that to the clubs that were relegated last season and stuck to the rules!!

You can spend a shit load of money and get even worse results and fewer points. We know some clubs who have done that.You cannot correlate the two. If a club breached f.f.p. how do you prove that so called unfair advantage led to more points and they should have been relegated instead..

 

[Taylor’s Nod Down]

Oh I wondered where this plastic scouser had gone. Chief journalist for sly sports.

Great quote, you go ahead and watch with interest Everton. Watch how a proper club runs its business. And while you’re watching, be more interested in how it turns the money it’s spent into League Cups, FA Cups, Premier League Titles, Champions of Europe, the best Academy in Europe and a stadium that won’t be housing Championship football. Oh and watch how the fans have celebrated on the pitch because they won things, not because they stayed up. Set of whoppers.

 

[SamBlue]

Balance of probability sounds like our worst nightmare. If that's what the "Independent Panel's" decision comes down to regardless of evidence from either side, why don't they just toss a fucking coin ?

Tell me!

 

[BeerIsTheBest]

I think some people mistake City for Donald Trump.

We don’t counter-sue anyone taking us to court and we don’t ban journalists from our ground. (Roan aside)

We don’t drain the swamp, we just win there.

My understanding is that if you sue someone the defendant has the right to prove their assertions / defamatory remarks (excluding things like race etc) or whatever were valid by demanding evidence. If correct why would the club open itself up to the resultant circus before the Prem charges were resolved.
Perhaps the time for the club to go in hard will be after the Prem event!
Just a thought.

 

[RiversideBlue]

The ESL would be even more biased and loaded against us. It’s the only thing that would end me being a city fan if it happened

I felt the same at the time but the Premier league seems rotten to the core

 

[Ray bloody Purchase]

Tell me!

Will we ever be over Macho Grande?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

My understanding is that if you sue someone the defendant has the right to prove their assertions / defamatory remarks (excluding things like race etc) or whatever were valid by demanding evidence. If correct why would the club open itself up to the resultant circus before the Prem charges were resolved.
Perhaps the time for the club to go in hard will be after the Prem event!
Just a thought.

Mostly in America, yeah.

 

[JPAMCR]

Decent article in the guardian by an Everton fan. Shame no journalists have raised these points. But then again it does criticise the media so not surprising.

Everton fan’s view: Premier League’s 10-point penalty simply doesn’t add up

Everton admitted guilt with plenty of mitigation but the process lacked transparency as media leaks undermined integrity

www.theguardian.com

 

[CatMan]

Tell me!

Surely it's balance of probability of the evidence provided, or why would you even have an adjudication panel? If City's evidence is irrefutable, and I hope it is, then we will be cleared.

 

[Dribble]

The one thing that's just occurred to me is Everton's points deduction being applied straight away.

If they applied a points deduction to City before an appeal, do we appear in the CL the following season before the appeal's been heard like with UEFA/CAS, or are we removed from the CL immediately?

It's now making total sense why the PL did what they did to Everton. They've set a precedent by their actions yesterday, which could deny us a CL spot irrespective of the ultimate conclusion of an appeals hearing.

If I was City, I'd be telling the PL if they try that immediate sanction stunt, we'll sue the fuck out of them for loss of earnings.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

Do the Premier League regulations allow for an appeal?

Whether they do or do not, if they should reach an incorrect decision and fly in the face of the burden of proof principles, I imagine City’s lawyers will attempt to resort to the courts. I am not not qualified to say if they would succeed in going down that route. I’d anticipate them winning if the route was open. But I’m an accountant not a lawyer.

I believe that the right of appeal always exists in the case of a judgement which is perverse or which is based on a contentious application of the law. This shouldn't be controversial in City's case because the issue at stake seems to be one of concealment and one would expect the evidence to point fairly strongly in one direction or the other. As a poster has already pointed out CAS operates on the principle of the balance of probabilities and it concluded that too many conditions had to be met for concealment (ie owner investment disguised as sponsorship) to be a realistic possibility, and none were fulfilled. Unless the PL has some sensational new evidence of unquestionable provenance the matter of appeal should not arise.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

You can spend a shit load of money and get even worse results and fewer points. We know some clubs who have done that.You cannot correlate the two. If a club breached f.f.p. how do you prove that so called unfair advantage led to more points and they should have been relegated instead..

A question for VAR?