PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

As has been stated repeatedly, the sheer magnitude of the charges, which is essentially a few charges repeated numerous times, has the stench of seeing what will stick to the wall on the PL’s part.

However, what is more egregious to me is that this “governing body” has simply baited the waters for Joe Public to do their dirty work for them.

The defamation being aimed at the Clib from all quarters, conveniently couched in a bunch of “apparently” and “according to the filing” weasel words, has led to an ongoing and persistent sentiment of “Guilty in the Court of Public Opinion!” even before a single charge is heard.

With Everton’s recent punishment for a completely separate and distinct offense…which they admitted and put down to “deals not falling into place as intended”…the usual suspects are baying for blood!

They seem to think that if their main competition for silverware is badly hurt by sanctions, it somehow elevates their club and their club’s chances of silverware…yet seem oblivious to their own admission of lack of sporting prowess and their inability to compete against our club! Sad muppets!

Lastly, they all know the damage is done. City will forever be known, regardless of the outcome, as cheats who only won so many trophies and their historic treble because they lied about their sponsorship deals and paid people under the table to beat FFP!

There is a rumour that City are preparing a wide-ranging defamation suit to stop the bullshit. Oh, how I’d love to see the full force of Mansour and Khaldoon aimed at the pissants looking for clicks and the powers that be (League or individual clubs, or even club executives) who dare utter a bad word about City.

For my money, Ceferin (UEFA) wised up and cozied up when he saw the writing on the wall. City played the game all the way up to the legal guardrails, but did it in ways that were both legal and defensible in front of a panel of ACTUAL REAL BUSINESS LAW JUDGES

Sadly for them, the PL, with its incestuous relationships with certain red clubs and antiquated notions of wielding power, has laid down a legal land mine for City, but must now be hoping IT isn’t the one about to step on it!

Given Everton’s punishment, every know nowt with a keyboard thinks they know what could, should, and will happen to City…even before multi-million pound opening statements are made in a multi-billion pound case against a multinational corporation. Sadly for the know nowt, that company is supported by some of the deepest pockets in global business, with business reputations at stake amongst people who value those reputations almost as much as their money.

The outcome of the PL’s “all or nothing” gambit is going to be seismic and it is going to have aftershocks that will change football.

THEY have done this, because THEY fear someone else taking THEIR ball away from THEM and the Govt stepping in to regulate THEM!

Their preemptive strike in trying to look like they can police their own backyard looked reflexive when it happened, but is looking more like desperation now.

The Old Boys Network that has run British football since its inception is in danger of having the oak doors blown off their little Club and their cigars and brandy confiscated…but they’re going to use every media outlet they have in their pocket and at their disposal to try and hold on for dear life!

I’m not sure they counted on any serious backlash to their inflated, trolling net of charges, but Khaldoon & Co have made it eye-wateringly obvious now…

READY OR NOT, HERE COMES CITY!!!
 
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Greenandblue said:
I can't take any credit for this...expect for reading it, but some legend of a Blue had this email published on the Football 365 website today, quoted in full below.....it's great stuff..

"Man City DID fail to cooperate with the UEFA enquiry and were fined for it, that’ absolutely true. The context though that everybody conveniently ignores, is that City were perfectly cooperating with the CFCB investigation right up until that body leaked sensitive business information of Man City’s to the press, and then they stopped because UEFA couldn’t be trusted not to leak files to their mates that were supposed to be confidential (and indeed were of great interest to rival clubs chasing sponsorships). This was even commented upon by CAS so feel free to use this point next time you’re all pretending that you read the judgement.

In regard to the PL case, City deny the failure to cooperate charge and it’s fair to say that according to the journalists covering them, they were pretty shocked this came up. They even commented on this in their initial statement.

It’s funny how [people] rant on and on about how corrupt UEFA, the Big Four, the ECA, the PL and the rest are but when it comes to Man City apparently they’re all paragons of virtue and it’s not a stitch-up despite the 115 charges being conveniently released the day before the Independent Football Regulator vote, despite the fact that the press release was so rushed that they had to go back and edit it because they quoted the wrong regulations (which for a legal statement tells you a lot), despite the fact that UEFA attempted to break its own rules to charge City and were caught by CAS, despite the fact that City only failed FFP the first time around because UEFA DID change their rules 2 years into a 3 year Monitoring Period to disallow some exemptions, despite the fact that of the 5 actual allegations by the PL 2 of them are instantly dismissable and the other 3 have already being investigated and cleared by numerous courts.

People coping on the Etisalat deal don’t understand firstly how small that deal is and secondly how it will be clear like everything else was.

Do you know why City have 115 charges against them? Because they’re fishing. The PL spent 6 years investigating City’s accounts (with cooperation of City by the way) and came up with a bunch of easily dismissable stuff (“paying people off the books”, etc), a bunch of stuff other people have already investigated and which they have no new evidence of (sponsorship deals) and a vague charge which doesn’t really mean anything concrete and is subjectively judged (failing to cooperate).

If the PL ACTUALLY believed that they had the evidence to go against City then they’d have a small and watertight case, instead they’ve gone as wide as possible. There were 28,000 documents submitted in the Everton case as evidence relating to a single charge. How many do you believe the PL will get for 115 charges? How much manpower do you think it would take to go through and cross reference it all?

This is all irrelevant any way to be honest, because not a single one of you actually cares about this case in the terms of its legal merits. You’ve already judged City guilty so if YET AGAIN there are no financial irregularities found then it doesn’t matter to you, because despite having no legal, accounting, marketing or football business experience then you all know better than every court in the land. Stop pretending you’re on some moral crusade for truth and start acknowledging that you just want City to fail for other reasons and you’re hoping through ignorance that the financial irregularities that still remain completely unproven is the thing that will topple them because your clubs have no ability to compete on the pitch due to terrible mismanagement. Oh and the guys who were “there’s no smoke without fire”/”just because it’s not proven doesn’t mean it’s not true” the other day, please please please disqualify yourself from jury service because you’re a danger to society.

I’m sure this will result in some face saving deal for the PL who will hand down some massive and hilarious sentence docking 5 billion points and stripping every title ever won ever which they know will be completely unenforceable and will be overturned about sixteen seconds into the appeals process. But they get their big PR win for a few months, City get dragged through the press as per usual and the fact that it all gets dismissed on appeal won’t matter a jot to people because everybody wins in that scenario apart from those of us who would prefer Governing bodies not to purposely attempt to stitch up people because they happen to be taking revenue away from clubs they’d prefer it to go to.
And no, you still don’t understand how the time barring thing worked."

GOOD MAN, WELL SAID!
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Outstanding!

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Also the 'fishing' makes alot of sense.
The PL wanted to see all our accounts, we refused.
So what better way to see a large bunch of our accounts than using a scattergun approach with such a large number of charges.
Others have said some of the charges are laughable, now we know why.
(Probably been said already on here I know)
 
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halfcenturyup said:
And United breaching UEFA FFP? The PL seem to think any breach in the PL should be a 6 point deduction. Not so fussed about UEFA breaches then?
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This is the bullshit we're facing. ManUre just say "Soz mate, it was an honest mistake", they take a slap on the wrist & it's all good & forgotten.

With City, they want us gone, plain & simple. This cosy private cartel world of UK & European football is as corrupt as fuck.

IREF is our only hope though this, which will hopefully create a fairer more level playing field for all football stakeholders, & not just the elite legacy clubs.

I also feel there'll be another sting in the tail for them. When IREF is finally setup, I can see calls for similar regulatory boards throughout Europe.

This will have a desired knock-on effect that so many different national rules probably won't sync, which will force the European Commission to act & standardise football regulation across Europe, in line with all other business sectors.

Ultimately, Manchester City Football Club will get the independent regulation we've always desired, which will smash the cartel' power that has kept the G-14 at the top of football for decades.

The G/14’s only way out of it? Leave their Association's & setup up their own invite only Super League. 乁⁠(⁠ ⁠•⁠_⁠•⁠ ⁠)⁠ㄏ

This time though, you'll have one league of 14 teams playing each other weekly & in whatever bullshit cup matches they can cobble together.

I look forward to matches against Real, Barça, Inter, Milan, ManUre, Arse & the Dippers, but I wouldn't want to be playing against them every week & six times a season each. It'd become a right snooze-fest!

PLUS if players stick with those breakaway clubs, they can kiss goodbye to international football too.
 
jrb said:
From what little is known publicly about the case, and findings from the CAS verdict, it is entirely possible that City could be found guilty of not co-operating with another investigation. However, Ioannidis (leading sports lawyer and professor at Sheffield Hallam University) and Plumley (sports finance expert and also at Sheffield Hallam University) contend that the Premier League must instead prove its most damning allegations - held to a higher standard than a normal civil case because of their seriousness - to satisfy the judging panel.

"It would not be good enough for the Premier League to argue that Manchester City failed to co-operate with the Premier League’s investigation," they write. "The Premier League would have to go beyond this, by proving that Manchester City, as a matter of fact and evidence, failed to produce accurate financial information (and/or lied about it) in relation to their revenue, within the meaning of the current regulations.

"This is not an easy burden for the Premier League. But it should not be easy, because the allegations produced are of a very serious nature.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

Premier League FFP charges for Man City could cause 'mutiny' as UEFA warned

Manchester City are preparing their evidence to refute strong accusations from the Premier League that could change the game
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
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With the Uefa case, City openly admitted not cooperating, because there were leaks. They obviously tried to dismiss that claim at Cas, arguing the non-cooperation was justified and therefore not punishable. Cas partly agreed, and reduced the punishment by two thirds, but still said there was Some non-cooperation.

With the PL case, City are saying they cooperated completely, and are fully challenging the accusation.

If anything they have shown they know when they aren't cooperating, and that are ok being honest about it. So the pressure of that charge should in theory be much higher on the PL than UEFA.
 
lancs blue said:
Regarding the rags breaching UEFA FFP but not the PL FFP, I believe that all hinges around UEFA FFP not allowing as large a write-off for Covid lockdown losses as the PL's version. So it was quite possible for a club to fail UEFA FFP for that period but pass the PL FFP.
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Yes but apparently the rules state failure to comply with UEFA rules is against the PL and punishble
 
halfcenturyup said:
You are right. Everton were charged, the "independent" panel found for the PL and a sanction was levied. Everton have appealed, so there will be a new "independent" appeals panel. City can follow the same appeals procedure if the panel finds for the PL in our case.

After the appeals panel, there is a final right of appeal, on certain limited matters, to an actual tribunal, more like CAS.
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So when will the 10 point penalty apply, this season or later if this appeals process were to drag on for say 12 months?
 
Chappie said:
Neither do you,with the amount of inaccuracies in your last few posts.
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Which I admitted to. I’m sure you are following it all. I’m also not claiming insider knowledge as it seems Rodney is.

How likely would it be that City had disclosed this to Rodney Marsh much as I’d love it to be true.
 
After long and careful consideration I've decided that the best and funniest outcome is Chelsea are relegated and titles are stripped, we are handed an extra CL trophy and PL, and then we our found innocent. We sing "where's your European cup" when we draw them in the league cup while they're still stuck in league 2.
 
M18CTID said:
Everton fans would do well to concentrate on their own case. As far as I know, their club haven't denied they breached FFP so it becomes a case of appealing against the severity of the punishment. I'm absolutely with them on that - they've been stitched up with a very harsh penalty for what is a first-time offence. There has been an edge to City v Everton games for many years which peaked in the aftermath of the Lescott transfer but things have calmed down a fair bit since then - not least because they came into money too and we stopped Liverpool winning the league a couple of times - and they need to realise that we're on the same side as them this time. Any protests or demonstrations on Sunday shouldn't drag other clubs into it as all cases are different. Plenty of Everton fans on social media aren't engaging in whataboutery regarding us and bear no ill will towards us but some have.
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Good post, so they are 20 million over the allowed losses, how can one club be over 900million in debt and be within the rules ?.Not seen any journalist ask this question which 91 other clubs would love to know the answer to.
To suggest Gill had a conflict of interests is the biggest understatement in our sport.
 
Father Paul said:
So when will the 10 point penalty apply, this season or later if this appeals process were to drag on for say 12 months?
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I think one reason for announcing it now is to create a certainty rather than some potential game-changing move in the spring. It'll be on this seaosn.

I expect that any appeal will be decided by early next year at the latest, so everyone knows where they stand. This case isn't that complicated - it just comes down now to whether the penalty is reasonable. It would be very harsh to change things later in the season.
 
abu13 said:
This is going to end up as one huge shit show that could bring the PL to it's knees.

Too many people have too much to lose and with the ruling that clubs can sue each other the shit is going to hit the fan and everyone is going to get a mouthful
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Maybe this is what happens when cartels start to lose control;-)
 
SWP's back said:
The PL have charged us.
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The use of the word "charges" is misleading because the investigation by the PL is not a criminal one. They have accused us of breaching their own rules. The word charges keeps getting repeated by the media along with the phrase "not guilty" but it is not accurate. So far all that has happened is the PL have made a long list of unsubstaniated allegations without a scrap of evidence and have kicked the can down the road to a so-called independent panel. It is the same tactic used by UEFA who turned out to have virtually no evidence when it came down to it. It will be interesting to see if the PL have any evidence or are just trying to destroy us in the "court of public opinion" like UEFA.
 
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