PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

domalino said:
FWIW Everton had more than 1 charge against them, it's just that City are AFAIK the only club to ever have all their individual alleged rule breaches detailed.

It's possible to go through the judgment and work out how many they broke but I asked a few days ago and no one had yet. They way the rules are written it's almost impossible to only breach 1 because they all overlap and they're all under umbrella clauses like the good faith one.
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It's not possible to go through the judgement to work out how many rules Everton broke - I've been through it for that purpose.

The introduction to the judgment says "By this complaint the Premier League alleges that Everton FC is in breach of the Profitability & Sustainability Rules." It also mentions £105m is the allowed loss under Rule E51, and it also explains some of the other P&S rules.

There are eight Profit and Sustainability rules. The judgment only says that Everton broke them.

The judgment also says "there is no doubt that it (Everton) failed to discharge the duty of utmost good faith imposed by B15."

So that's between two and nine charges against Everton. But since the PL accused us of breaking every single P&L rule for three years (8+8+9 charges per year), we should interpret Everton's charges on the same way, as nine in total.
 
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meltonblue said:
If the leaked docs are true, I wonder if given he signed the contracts in 2009, it was in case we did get into a position where a few million here or there could make the difference. Otherwise I don’t get it either.

That’s the one that worries me the most though.
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I never understood the fuss over this - and still don’t. My understanding was that Mancini under the terms of his severance deal with Inter couldn’t take a managers position for a specified timeframe. Mansour gave Mancini a consultancy gig which I assumed was similar to putting him on retainer, or an option on his services, as there were doubts over Hughes.

Hughes then got the bullet earlier than the owners ideally would have liked and Mancini was installed. The consultancy deal was common knowledge at the time and that the two jobs overlapped was more about timing than anything else.

Whether Mancini did any consultancy work or how long the jobs overlapped I don’t know, but why anyone cares a decade or so later is beyond me.
 
I always think it’s weird that after all the dodgy stuff we’ve reportedly done, not a single person has actually come out as a direct whistleblower or indeed provided anything remotely indicating we’ve done anything.
Even the lads that hopped ship to Liverpool and stole scouting data had nothing. And if the corruption of us is as deep as they claim, surely someone could have come forward with even a tiny inkling?
Christ even Seluk stuck up for us.

Some people say no smoke without fire, but is there even any real smoke?
 
TheThirdDeano said:
I always think it’s weird that after all the dodgy stuff we’ve reportedly done, not a single person has actually come out as a direct whistleblower or indeed provided anything remotely indicating we’ve done anything.
Even the lads that hopped ship to Liverpool and stole scouting data had nothing. And if the corruption of us is as deep as they claim, surely someone could have come forward with even a tiny inkling?
Christ even Seluk stuck up for us.

Some people say no smoke without fire, but is there even any real smoke?
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The hacked emails lit the fuse.
 
redders said:
but what they have accused us of is that Mancini was paid part of his City salary elsewhere ,which is false accounting. Whether it's true or not I have no idea
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Mancini went to Abu Dhabi a couple of times a year, the fee for that could be accounted for as consultancy work? Plus if there is an invoice as someone suggested and it was part of the hacked documents couldn’t we say that had been doctored, companies are only obliged to keep bank records for 6 years so those don’t need to be divulged either by City, our banks and Mancini’s bank. I doubt the banks would break confidentiality on this so how could it be proven?
 
I know we have been here many times but when discussing with rival fans are disdain for the FFP rules. Its very hard to get anyone who can see it from our perspective. I think the penny is dropping for Newcastle fans and West Ham fans have been generally quite good.
Ironically Everton have been punished but their fans still cannot understand the concept of FFP and how pathetic it is and subsequently it has hindered themselves.

Why cant Everton fans grasp that we have been charged already big time. The difference being they have admitted guilt, whereas we are adamant we have done no wrong and its a more complex case. I think they need to direct their anger in a difference place. They are getting sucked in by their over emotional neighbours.

Liverpool fans are still in cult mode and have got all emotional again. Not one of them who I speak to can explain to me what any of our charges are. We are just obviously guilty and no smoke without fire etc.. according to them. I await the numerous banners on show at the weekend from their section.

I'm battle hardened with it now and know its pointless trying to explain to other fans (we are guilty in their eyes and nothing will change that) I just try to turn the tables and let them explain what our charges are and where the evidence is. They obviously cant and just refer to the media hysteria. Best thing to do is enjoy the football on the pitch and block out any external noise.

If we are found guilty its fair do's and we have to deal with it but I have every faith in the club and if we do fall foul I reckon it will be something minor and probably something to do with non-cooperation . I'm just slightly weary of this so called independent panel

Hopefully the club will be galvanised again. No doubt the media baying mob will be asking PEP all the predictable questions and I'm sure he will just bat them away and focus on the football
 
Pezzer2 said:
I know we have been here many times but when discussing with rival fans are disdain for the FFP rules. Its very hard to get anyone who can see it from our perspective. I think the penny is dropping for Newcastle fans and West Ham fans have been generally quite good.
Ironically Everton have been punished but their fans still cannot understand the concept of FFP and how pathetic it is and subsequently it has hindered themselves.

Why cant Everton fans grasp that we have been charged already big time. The difference being they have admitted guilt, whereas we are adamant we have done no wrong and its a more complex case. I think they need to direct their anger in a difference place. They are getting sucked in by their over emotional neighbours.

Liverpool fans are still in cult mode and have got all emotional again. Not one of them who I speak to can explain to me what any of our charges are. We are just obviously guilty and no smoke without fire etc.. according to them. I await the numerous banners on show at the weekend from their section.

I'm battle hardened with it now and know its pointless trying to explain to other fans (we are guilty in their eyes and nothing will change that) I just try to turn the tables and let them explain what our charges are and where the evidence is. They obviously cant and just refer to the media hysteria. Best thing to do is enjoy the football on the pitch and block out any external noise.

If we are found guilty its fair do's and we have to deal with it but I have every faith in the club and if we do fall foul I reckon it will be something minor and probably something to do with non-cooperation . I'm just slightly weary of this so called independent panel

Hopefully the club will be galvanised again. No doubt the media baying mob will be asking PEP all the predictable questions and I'm sure he will just bat them away and focus on the football
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Today I went to buy butter at the store . I got so confused if I should buy grass fed or regular. So i asked the store manager what do they feed the regular cow? He said he doesnt know.
So i asked him , if grass fed butter is more expensive then regular butter , how do youu know if it’s even a butter ?
 
I did have my concerns over some gotcha stuff like in 2014 but it seems maybe I and you guys don't have to worry.

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So while Everton, Chelsea have admitted wrongdoing to some degree.. we might just have taken a fine as the cheaper option than to fight it out in court.

As long as we didn't admit wrongdoing, I don't think it can be used against us though I'm sure the PL's lawyers will probably think that's their strongest avenue to display guilt. However I don't see how any settlement is admission of guilt.
 
TheThirdDeano said:
I always think it’s weird that after all the dodgy stuff we’ve reportedly done, not a single person has actually come out as a direct whistleblower or indeed provided anything remotely indicating we’ve done anything.
Even the lads that hopped ship to Liverpool and stole scouting data had nothing. And if the corruption of us is as deep as they claim, surely someone could have come forward with even a tiny inkling?
Christ even Seluk stuck up for us.

Some people say no smoke without fire, but is there even any real smoke?
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Mancini left the club under a cloud, he could have been one person who could have given the Premier League ammo on what his arrangement was but weirdly no one has spoken to him about it. Yaya Toure as well liked to have a good cry about how badly he was treated at City, not a peep from him neither.
 
pauls said:
Yeah,are we taking bets who asks the first question about the Everton case, I'm going Wanker Stone or Ladyman, he likes to think he's getting an exclusive.
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It will almost certainly be Stone, and it’ll be along the lines of “Given Everton’s severe punishment last week, are you worried that all of the titles you’ve won could be taken away as punishment if City are found guilty?”.

Simon Heggie should really be saying before the press conference that questions about the investigation are off limits as it’s an ongoing case.
 
It’s the only thing other afans have to have a go at us with now, electrician round our house yesterday was a rag, first thing he mentioned was oh getting relegated arent you down to the conference, I said no chance but if we did we’d be back winning the league before they did, he muttered we will be back might take 10 years, I just laughed and walked away.
 
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