PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Eric Hitchmough said:
It still beggars belief that City would accept £1m and sign an NDA, if that’s truly what happened.

I know the club likes the ‘holistic’ approach, but surely there’s a limit.
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Isn't the story that at the time City had no other issues with Liverpool, and wanted to part of the club?

If City had managed to build those bridges, and made themselves into a club that was more important as an ally than an enemy, then would we have had the letters to the PL, the constant pressure from the red top clubs for "action", the leaking of UEFA info, the drip feed from client journos and red top fans in the media?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but it probably made a lot of sense at the time to try and build those relationships, rather than publicly destroy them.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
We should have gone to the police. It was a blatant criminal offence under the Computer Misuse Act 1990.

And it didn't stop with the settlement. They carried on spying on us for a few years. Tolmie knows this as well.
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The reports I have read, including claims here, were that an employee went there and used his old password that nobody at the City end bothered to change.

If that's true, it wasn't a 'hack' then. He maybe broke his contract clauses on conduct after leaving, and they exploited access that wasn't specifically granted, but does that really constitute a system breach?

If true at all, of course.

Which, if it is, is probably more likely why the club didn't pursue it much harder, rather than just being naively nice.
 
Coatigan said:
The reports I have read, including claims here, were that an employee went there and used his old password that nobody at the City end bothered to change.

If that's true, it wasn't a 'hack' then. He maybe broke his contract clauses on conduct after leaving, and they exploited access that wasn't specifically granted, but does that really constitute a system breach?

If true at all, of course.

Which, if it is, is probably more likely why the club didn't pursue it much harder, rather than just being naively nice.
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Or it could be seen as unauthorized access from one club employee to another club, to gain a sporting advantage. Yes City should have had tighter security in that case but you can't just walk into your former place of work and steal things because they didn't change the pin number/take your key card. I seem to remember Spurs(not that they'd risk upsetting the cartel they want in on... but will never be part of) suspected the same thing happened to them(former employees who went to Liverpool). If they did steal data and Liverpool knew/authorized it at any level, then I find it hard to see any justification why Liverpool shouldn't be punished.
 
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feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
What ever happens here it looks like the Premier League have signed their death warrant. The likes of Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus will be watching on with interest as it potentially puts two of the six dominos from English football back in play if they go as extreme as expulsion from the Premier League. Surely by doing that it puts both City and Chelsea outside of the legal repercussions placed on clubs that exists now if they do form a super league. If City and Chelsea join and the top European clubs resign from Uefa competitions the history clubs in red will have no choice but to abandon the Premier League.

If the Premier League don’t do what United and Liverpool want in regards to removing City from the league, they would then be pushing for a Super League from their side. Either way the gravy train cultivated by the Premier League over the last 30 years is over. I was against it in April 2021 but seeing how things are playing out we should fuck the people over who gave United and Liverpool way too much influence to keep them happy.
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Khaldoon warned the other premier league teams that the other European leagues wanted the premier to self implode due to what is perceived as unfair advantage with the broadcasting payments. He was answering a question on Tebas at the time.

The jealous rags/dips are determined to destroy city so have gleefully done their bidding at the expense of the league imo. It’s a shambles and only leads to a super league.

The other clubs need to wake up and call the rags/dips bluff. Let them go to a super league. It will collapse.
 
blue ranger said:
Lovely story but the smoking gun really doesn’t exist.
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The smoking gun really does exist though, at least as far as the Defoe/Spurs case and the LFC hacking case are concerned. We'll still have the forensic results from the computer experts, the paper trail of the million quid plus whatever communications passed between the two clubs. The Defoe one will have similar paper work to scrutinise.
 
Coatigan said:
The reports I have read, including claims here, were that an employee went there and used his old password that nobody at the City end bothered to change.

If that's true, it wasn't a 'hack' then. He maybe broke his contract clauses on conduct after leaving, and they exploited access that wasn't specifically granted, but does that really constitute a system breach?

If true at all, of course.

Which, if it is, is probably more likely why the club didn't pursue it much harder, rather than just being naively nice.
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Depends what you class as a Hack, many different ways including this that resulted in a jail sentance.

Sorry, we can't find that page

The Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales with over 150,000 members.
www.icaew.com www.icaew.com
 
johnny crossan said:
Everybody knows the PL charges against City are a tissue of mendacious absurdity - confected from lies by thieves.
Soon the cartel’s evil ways will find them out and the delectable smell of US hedges burning to the ground will fill the air.
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Kinell I thought that was Stewart Hall for a moment. (No disrespect intended)
 
meltonblue said:
If the leaked docs are accurate, he signed a consultancy deal with Al Jazira the same day he signed the contract with us. It also then looks like we were settling the invoices and negotiating changes to that consultancy deal.
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I recall talk of Mancini doing consultancy work for Mansour prior to his appointment as manager. It was part of the discussion about Hughes and possible successors. Mancini was mentioned in the context of his existing links and work for Mansour.

I have no idea if a new consultancy contract was signed or extended or whatever. I do know it was no secret that he was time barred from working as a manager and employed as a consultant and no one cared. For me, ‘Man has two jobs’, is not much of a scandal.
 
Centurions said:
The smoking gun really does exist though, at least as far as the Defoe/Spurs case and the LFC hacking case are concerned. We'll still have the forensic results from the computer experts, the paper trail of the million quid plus whatever communications passed between the two clubs. The Defoe one will have similar paper work to scrutinise.
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Possibly. Or possibly to the same extent as Uefa and the PL had the der spiegel emails as 'definitive proof'. We don't or can't know.
 
Metalartin said:
Or it could be seen as unauthorized access from one club employee to another club, to gain a sporting advantage. Yes City should have had tighter security in that case but you can just walk into your former place of work and steal things(if they did steal data and Liverpool knew/authorized it at any level) because they didn't change the pin number/take your key card. I seem to remember Spurs suspected the same thing happened to them(former employees who went to Liverpool).
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Man_City_Loyal said:
Depends what you class as a Hack, many different ways including this that resulted in a jail sentance.

Sorry, we can't find that page

The Institute of Chartered Accountants in England and Wales with over 150,000 members.
www.icaew.com www.icaew.com
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Fair enough.
 
Coatigan said:
The reports I have read, including claims here, were that an employee went there and used his old password that nobody at the City end bothered to change.

If that's true, it wasn't a 'hack' then. He maybe broke his contract clauses on conduct after leaving, and they exploited access that wasn't specifically granted, but does that really constitute a system breach?

If true at all, of course.

Which, if it is, is probably more likely why the club didn't pursue it much harder, rather than just being naively nice.
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My understanding is that former employees who went to Liverpool used someone's password who was still working at City.

But it doesn't matter. Knowingly accessing a computer system you know you're not authorised to access is a criminal offence. No ifs, buts or maybes.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
That's because much of our investigation is based around deceit and concealment to which the 6 year statute of limitation won't apply if this can be proved.

Spurs Defoe allegation and this Liverpool allegation (if true) going nowhere, well outside the SOL.
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Surely illegal hacking and using that information for commercial gain is a very good example of deceit and concealment?

The Spurs/Defoe thing is more about why the FA or PL (whichever) knew about it but decided to do nothing given they punished another lesser club at the time for the same offence.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
My understanding is that former employees who went to Liverpool used someone's password who was still working at City.

But it doesn't matter. Knowingly accessing a computer system you know you're not authorised to access is a criminal offence. No ifs, buts or maybes.
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Correct! Literally sacked someone for the same thing about 18 months ago.

Comprised of three sections, the legislation states that it is illegal to:

  • Access data stored on a computer without permission
  • Gain unauthorised access to data on a computer, with the intention of using that data to commit illegal activity
  • Make changes to any data stored on a computer without permission (eg. installing a virus/malware)
 
Ric said:
I think it would be very difficult to get the PL to revisit the hacking case, given that was settled between the clubs and is presumably time-barred anyway.
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No such thing as time barred in football. At least that’s what the latest lot of experts keep telling us…..
And, don’t forget, ‘time barred‘ actually means GUILTY!!
 
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MCFC1993 said:
With regards to the Liverpool hacking scandal, I can't see anything happening because of the settlement. I do think it could be about creating precedence though.

Another thing to consider is sporting sanctions, following Evertons charges, City may now feel that Liverpool gained a sporting benefit, we might have had a file on Van Dijk and they accessed it and decided to buy him. Went on to win the league and champions league. Therefore a sporting sanction may be more appropriate.
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So are we looking at a scenario of Liverpool's 2020 title being stripped, along with Chelsea's 2014/15 title and their Champions League win.

Whoever was runner up in those years will be happy.
 
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