PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[hello]

Excuse my ignorance but were QC’s/KC’s used by the PL to get to the point where they charged us or was it internal lawyers used by the PL? We saw a rushed job in their excitement to hit us with the charges. Just wondering if it was managed by a load of amateurs and now they could be wasting money on expensive KCs getting their arguments pulled apart.

There is no fucking way a QC/KC approved their initial notification of charges, The shear number of errors was unprecedented. It was a rushed release because of the imminent government announcement. I would expect they were employing a QC during the investigation process & they were simply no where near ready when masters bowed to dipper/rag pressure to announce prior to the government recommending independent regulation.

 

[Roachy]

There is no fucking way a QC/KC approved their initial notification of charges, The shear number of errors was unprecedented. It was a rushed release because of the imminent government announcement. I would expect they were employing a QC during the investigation process & they were simply no where near ready when masters bowed to dipper/rag pressure to announce prior to the government recommending independent regulation.

Sounds plausible, get it announced then play catch up.

 

[cheekybids]

Selling oil at a convention designed to reduce it's use isn't a war crime but it isn't a great look.
Your surely not suggesting they ran the story purely because City have an association with the UAE?

No not City, the telegraph.

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

Selling oil at a convention designed to reduce it's use isn't a war crime but it isn't a great look.

Well yeah, but in the real world everybody still has a use for oil and the U.A.E have a lot of it to sell. Business deals like this happen at every big global convention. Its the lead news story because they are trying to buy the Telegraph. No other reason.

 

[ZanteWeatherman]

Everton were charged with breaching FFP by overspending. It's on their books for all to see and they've admitted to it as well.

In our situation the Prem is in effect saying that City defrauded the Prem in concert with several other large business entities. The scope of what we're being accused of cannot exist without our colluding with our sponsors. Does anyone really think these companies are going to allow themselves to be called frauds in the name of some petty jealousy among the Reds et al?

Does anyone really think Roberto Mancini will allow his reputation to be sullied based on a loose interpretation of his professional dealings?

Are the various auditors involved with the club over the years going to stand by and be accused of colluding with City? Or maybe even worse for them be seen as completely incompetent in terms of discovering irregularities in our books?

As far as being noncooperative, what business entity in their right mind would feel compelled to provide unlimited information to a party that proves to be pursuing frivolous charges in order to support a vindictive agenda?

If the Prem is unable to prove any of the fraudulent items they're accusing us of there is no scenario in the real world which will allow them to carry out any form of nonsensical "punishment". It doesn't work that way. There is a burden of proof on the Prem that must be met, simple as...Pressure from outside sources like other clubs, the media, other fans and such means ZERO in terms of what the Prem can actually do. They can take the UEFA approach but if they choose to ignore the facts of the case and proceed with any actions anyway the Club will seek and find remedy elsewhere. And those saying that's not an option will be proven wrong, bet on it.

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[East Level 2]

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Standard Chartered Bank have a deflector shield made up of red shirts and feral fans.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

Maybe we should start a Bluemoon University to write some of these scholarly articles. :)

Bluemoon University, Manchester.

Don't like the sound of those initials.

 

[Rory Bluelow]

Bluemoon University, Manchester.

Don't like the sound of those initials.

It‘d be like a cross between Scumbag College on the Young Ones and the Bash Street Kids :)

 

[TueartsCossackSpray]

Selling oil at a convention designed to reduce it's use isn't a war crime but it isn't a great look.
Your surely not suggesting they ran the story purely because City have an association with the UAE?

Maybe it’s that sustainable used vegetable oil that they are now using in planes. Bet we’d get slaughtered for benefitting from people eating chips if this was the case!

 

[SilverFox2]

Isn’t there an argument that by him speaking out and trying to undermine the legitimacy of the PL and its commissions that can only help us in the long run?

He can’t come out and say the same things about City yet as no decision has been reached.

Re last para I fear that the media verdict of our guilt has made any support of City a risk not worth taking for all in power. He is no doubt fearful of a Man U reaction.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Re last para I fear that the media verdict of our guilt has made any support of City a risk not worth taking for all in power. He is no doubt fearful of a Man U reaction.

All, or none, of that may be true. It just seemed to be jump on Burnham day yesterday.

All anyone should say, when asked for a quote about the situation is that they don’t have enough information to make an informed decision and that they await the results of the commission, but that they note that CAS found in City’s favour.

 

[dadnlad]

Breakfast on BBC Sportsnews. European night. Great. But all the BBC Breakfast people are interested in are the teams at the bottom of their group?? No mention of the current holders or leaders in their group Manchester City?? Disgraceful.

it's a fairytale story

 

[Paladin]

The shame is that there are interesting angles which could be explored in a scholarly fashion. For example: Is the Mansour investment in Manchester City sportswashing? To what extent do the fans of Manchester City protect the club's owners from criticism? How did the Mansour investment in Manchester City change the football landscape? How do we place the Mansour investment in Manchester City within previous and subsequent billionaire owner acquisitions and the previous 50 years of football ownership?

Each of these would be interesting as long as they don't start with an assumption as a conclusion: Mansour is sportswashing; his investment was bad for football; City fans are AD proxies, etc etc.....

[BOLD]Maybe we should start a Bluemoon University to write some of these scholarly articles. :)[/BOLD]


Edited to actually include a comment :) Sorry about that.

Great idea. The Bluemoon Writing Team.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

You are expecting way too much!

No one has bothered to read the CAS judgement, because then they'd be able to comment more fairly. Instead they took the headlines of some items being time-barred which apparently means we were guilty and got away with it on a technicality - and as we were fined (for non cooperation) that means we were also guilty.

No one is suddenly going to start reading things that don't suit their agenda and come out with a fair comment on the situation.

Maybe so, but demanding anyone connected to Manchester in anyway quoting an opinion seems a bit weird to me.

 

[Kippax77]

BBC is fucking scum head to toe. Did you see that news report about the U.A.E last night? Total fucking hatchet job, making out like making business deals at a global convention is a war crime.

Its getting to the point where I don't see how you can pay that license fee and call yourself a City fan.

The same with Sly sports subscriptions

 

[The perfect fumble]

So I made the mistake of reading that nonsense. For an opinion piece that laments the lack of scholarly research into the topic of sportswashing, it certainly doesn't add much to the debate. Starting off with a ridiculous assumption as a conclusion (that City fans have become proxy defenders of the UAE government and the Abu Dhabi Royal family) is never a good look. It's a sort of a simplistic rehash of the nonsense that has been floating around for years.

It's a case of...

"If you want to get there I wouldn't start from here"

If you sup at the table of universal human rights, this is what you throw up.

Best to view it as the "progressive" version of the white man's burden and move on.

white man's burden :
: a duty formerly asserted by white people to manage the affairs of nonwhite people whom they believed to be less developed.

Of course the same people who peddle this nonsense believe in multiculturalism, but multiculturalism by its very nature is a celebration of difference, it's the polar opposite of universal human rights.

I'm more of a "when in Rome" sort of bloke, and so is Sheikh Mansour and so are the vast majority of folk.

 

[cheekybids]

Maybe so, but demanding anyone connected to Manchester in anyway quoting an opinion seems a bit weird to me.

No one had a go at him when he stayed out of football is corrupt for the last 5 years. It just seems incredible that as soon as his club is hit he used his platform of “quite a big cheese in Manchester” to influence proceedings.

As soon as he was pulled up, he said he’ll comment after the decision but he said fuck all after the CAS verdict, so I call bullshit.

It’s my opinion that if we’d had people outside of our club willing to challenge the narrative we wouldn’t be in this mess. I suspect Burnham thinks 1 of 2 things, speaking out about Everton will help Everton or help his political career.

So fuck him.

 

[nmc]

BBC is fucking scum head to toe. Did you see that news report about the U.A.E last night? Total fucking hatchet job, making out like making business deals at a global convention is a war crime.

It’s getting to the point where I don't see how you can pay that license fee and call yourself a City fan.

BBC and the UK taking the moral high ground whilst opening new coal mines and issuing licenses to drill for oil in the North Sea YCMIU.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No one had a go at him when he stayed out of football is corrupt for the last 5 years. It just seems incredible that as soon as his club is hit he used his platform of “quite a big cheese in Manchester” to influence proceedings.

As soon as he was pulled up, he said he’ll comment after the decision but he said fuck all after the CAS verdict, so I call bullshit.

It’s my opinion that if we’d had people outside of our club willing to challenge the narrative we wouldn’t be in this mess. I suspect Burnham thinks 1 of 2 things, speaking out about Everton will help Everton or help his political career.

So fuck him.

lol, ok. So much anger; so little point.

 

[nmc]

Selling oil at a convention designed to reduce it's use isn't a war crime but it isn't a great look.
You’re surely not suggesting they ran the story purely because City have an association with the UAE?

Agreed but it’s no different to the Tory Conference in Manchester everyone from Cigarettes Companies to Arms Dealers promoting their products…. Haven’t heard the BBC complain!