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Scaring Europe to Death said:
The game was a microcosm of all the lazy and sloppy habits that have crept into our game this season. Yes, we've got injuries, but we're not alone, and there was never a better time to play Tottenham

For whatever reason we're not controlling the tempo and we've lost our clinical edge.

We can still win the league, but we need to start stamping our authority on games and stop hiding behind this myth that everything will suddenly be okay when Stones and De Bruyne return
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Well let's use the anger from the appalling decision (or non decision) from the referee as the rocket up the arse the team needs and be the catalyst to fire the team up into getting a winning run together. We've done it before, we can do it again. There's 24 games left and we are only 4 points off the top, the others will slip up and have their bad patches.

It could have been worse, we could have lost those 3 games and been even further off the pace. Is it a case of that we've been spoilt over the past decade and are becoming "entitled" to win everything. Let's hope not, let's remember that there will be barren periods between trophies but hopefully not the 35 years we had to endure before 2011.
 
Chappie said:
The same thing can apply to every professional sportsperson.
You can't buy to cover every potential injury or suspension.
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That's true but also a bit simplistic. If a player has a great record with respect to injuries, i.e. is rarely injured and rarely out for long when they are, then that's one thing. When a player has a history of not being able to string a run of games together without getting crocked, then you have to take a different view, don't you.

For example, we can probably rely on Foden, whereas relying on Stones to the same extent, would be idiotic.
 
that game is trend topic in turkey as of today due to the last minute ref decision.
we are very experienced about those stuff. i dont wanna talk much about that annoying subject. but the problem in world football is getting bigger and bigger. and probably there will not be a turning point.

a new european league should be established, with a new governing body. all the system must be cleaned.

cheers
 
I know he's the butt of much criticism on here but Phillips and Rodri should be starting together (when available). Phillips just in front of the defence, Rodri slightly more advanced. The midfield is getting overrun when we give possession away so cheaply. Rodri can't do it on his own - unfair to think he can. Both players are capable of playing decent forward passes and seeing the attacking options - so yes, creativity may suffer slightly - but not to the extent some would have us believe and we'd have more of a control on the area that is getting swamped, targeted and bypassed at the moment. I'm afraid - as good as a worker and as busy as he is - Alvarez is the weakest link imo. Put Phil or Bernardo in there (swap them around during the game - one on the right, one in the hole. Oh, and I'd start with Grealish - at the moment we're some hybrid team that is trying to play possession football on the break!
 
Thinking a lot more rationally now;

The ref cheated us but we should NEVER have been in a situation where the dumbass with the whistle should have that much of an effect in the outcome of the game.

Not good enough from city but you have to have faith that’s a long as we’re in striking distance towards the end of the season we’ll pull it together again!
 
Very frustrating match. I agree with a lot of the criticism here, particularly 2nd half we were relatively poor, and gave the ball away far too much, but still by any standards we were far the better team overall. Hit the woodwork twice, Haaland missed an unbelievable sitter, our press forced them into multiple errors trying to pass out of defence etc.

We could easily have played the same game and won 5-1, and everyone would be saying we're unstoppable.

Football's like that sometimes.

We're second in the league and top of our CL group. It's not perfect, but it's not at all bad.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Very frustrating match. I agree with a lot of the criticism here, particularly 2nd half we were relatively poor, and gave the ball away far too much, but still by any standards we were far the better team overall. Hit the woodwork twice, Haaland missed an unbelievable sitter, our press forced them into multiple errors trying to pass out of defence etc.

We could easily have played the same game and won 5-1, and everyone would be saying we're unstoppable.

Football's like that sometimes.

We're second in the league and top of our CL group. It's not perfect, but it's not at all bad.
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We're third.

Behind the scousers.
 
Stato said:
The ref blew the whistle, it wouldn't have been reviewed by var, the freekick had already been given
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thats why he blew the whistle... he just did not take the risk of Grealish's scoring a goal. I ve read a comment today. the guy wrote ''if i were Pep, i would order the team to concede a goal, maybe an own goal, just to fuck those betting barons(whatever you call them)'' :))) wouldnt that be nice ? :))
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Very frustrating match. I agree with a lot of the criticism here, particularly 2nd half we were relatively poor, and gave the ball away far too much, but still by any standards we were far the better team overall. Hit the woodwork twice, Haaland missed an unbelievable sitter, our press forced them into multiple errors trying to pass out of defence etc.

We could easily have played the same game and won 5-1, and everyone would be saying we're unstoppable.

Football's like that sometimes.

We're second in the league and top of our CL group. It's not perfect, but it's not at all bad.
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We are third.

Doomed, I tells ya! Doomed!!
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
Shipping three goals at home and giving away leads in the last 10 minutes for what, four games on the spin just isn't good enough at all.

It's unacceptable from this group of elite players and coaches, plain and simple.
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Picking up avoidable bookings through stupidity meaning players will miss important tough away games is also poor imo.
 
Whilst, like most, I thought the ref's decision was shocking, we shouldn't have needed to rely on that anyway. Hit the post 3 times and Erling missed a sitter. Should have been out of sight by half time but we weren't partly due to dumb luck and partly to poor finishing. Sometimes it happens - we move on.
 
Boo or Boo-urns said:
True dat.

However, if Grealish continued the attack and if he had scored, that would have forced VAR to intervene/review the goal and award it, overcoming the ref's decision.
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And sent off for not playing to the whistle, he had already been booked.
 
We just lack midfield control. Rodri is doing a lot more than he should be doing , Gundo last season helped control the midfield. We miss a Gundo type player probably why Pep wants Paqueta his work rate and ability would transform our midfield. Would help Rodri massively. Midfield is so important to how we play , our midfield last season was the best in Europe. But we’ve lost two of the most crucial parts to that midfield in Gundo who has left and Kev to injury.
 
Gumzy97 said:
We just lack midfield control. Rodri is doing a lot more than he should be doing , Gundo last season helped control the midfield. We miss a Gundo type player probably why Pep wants Paqueta his work rate and ability would transform our midfield. Would help Rodri massively. Midfield is so important to how we play , our midfield last season was the best in Europe. But we’ve lost two of the most crucial parts to that midfield in Gundo who has left and Kev to injury.
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This is a huge factor. Rodri is as good as doing it on his own at the moment and in the last two games has looked a shadow of himself. I think he's starting to get burnout from last season and it's showing .
 
I think we try to play abit to clever sometimes, trying a pass that isn't really on. Like we are trying to force the game. Once that pass doesn't come of teams now seem to be able get through our middle quickly, because we are out of shape.

We need to stop giving the ball away and I think we need someone to help Rodri. The midfield is to light.
As much as love seeing more attacking players perhaps one needs dropping for anothe more defensive midfielder.

A midfield without KDB, Gundogan and Stones big senior players missing. The player brought in normal take a season to get up to speed. Sadly we just have a passenger in Phillips.

Yesterday I think every spurs chances or goal was from City miss pass. Plus it didnt helo that when spurs hit the woodwork the ball went in, when ours went to safety !
 
F365 to our rescue :) :) (as many times when media is shitting all over us). It still doesn't make feel better after three draw.

Manchester City: The crisis
Manchester City drawing three straight games is getting some people very giddy about a possible title race, as if absolutely nothing has been learned.

City have not lost any of those games but Oliver Brown in the Telegraph is enjoying the notion that they might:

The serenity of champions-in-waiting has given way to a strange, skittish energy, with the finest team in Europe realising that they confront their toughest title fight in years.
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That’s absolute bollocks. They’re closer to Arsenal than they were at the same stage last season, two years ago they were a point behind Chelsea at this juncture and it’s literally only three years since they were eighth after 14 games.

The last time they were top of the Premier League table after 14 games was 2018. They have won four titles in the intervening five years.

This is not simply an aesthetic judgment. The crumbling of defensive poise is backed up by the numbers: since a regulation win over Young Boys last month, they have conceded at a rate of 2.5 goals per game. For the first 18 games this campaign, it was 0.8.
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Because comparing 18 games to four games is a rock-solid statistical model.

While Guardiola was adamant his side had barely given Tottenham a look-in, this argument was of dubious statistical merit. Over the past month, City have conceded an average of 10 chances per game, a far cry from the 6.2 they managed before this winter wobble set in.
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And 17 of those chances came v Chelsea.

And as for Tottenham, the xG for that game was 2.6 to 0.5 in Manchester City’s favour; they did ‘barely give Tottenham a look-in’. If you’re going to talk about ‘statistical merit’, maybe look at some statistics, fella.

But when the system falters, City can look oddly destabilised. At 21, Doku is already a captivating talent. You only had to admire his shimmying first-half movement, feigning to go left before cutting right and cannoning a shot off the crossbar, to wonder at how he could yet flourish under Guardiola. But there is still a callowness to him, too, reflected in the one successful dribble he completed all game. With that rate of return, there will be limits to how much freedom Guardiola affords his Belgian prodigy.
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And last week v Liverpool, he dribbled past 12 players. His dribbling ‘rate of return’ is the highest in the Premier League by some margin. He had one quite poor game that Brown happened to watch.

Brown then writes about the lack of control being exhibited by Manchester City this season, whose crisis takes them all the way down to third after a run of games against Big Six sides that they will not face again until mid-February, and fails to mention one quite significant fact: They are missing literally the best midfielder in the Premier League.

It seems relevant.
 
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