Kalvin Phillips

Seems a nice enough lad but still irks me when after his mrs asks him "what's up" in his documentary after he's just signed for us he replies "I'm going to a club where there's another 18 players as good as me" facepalm moment !
 
Brilliant passer of the ball but I thought his strength was being an aggressive, all-action midfielder with a bit of bite about his game which is the complete opposite of what I've seen. Think he's better in a more defensive set up where there's less space for the opposition (Southgate) than he is being left vulnerable to attacks like with us.

Instead he seems to labour about and only really excels when he's given shit loads of space but even then he doesn't move it quick enough.

Good player IMO but just not suited to us. We live and learn, an opportunity he couldn't turn down and has tried to make it work but his skillset isn't what we need.

Good luck to him - he's never whinged and has done his best. Just not worked out.
 
Paul1970 said:
And look what’s happened to smith ! His name is dirt in Leeds and even his grandparents who were season ticket holders basically fucked him off . Can you imagine Phil foden signing for Utd or even rashford coming to us . Sonetines money is not everything
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Leeds told him he had to go there.
 
Paul1970 said:
He was given the option but he thought because Leeds had gone down it wasn’t as fierce but believe me I know a lot of Leeds lads and have been to Leeds -Utd game a few times and the hatred is on another level .
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I went to uni in Leeds. i know all about it! They shut the centre down when certain teams were playing at Elland Road.

I was at the Viduka 4-3 Scouser match. That was tasty around the ground that day.

Leeds pleaded with Smith to go to the rags as they were going bankrupt and that was the highest offer. Smith didn’t want to go, but did so to help them out.

It didn’t help his reputation though, as you suggest!
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I went to uni in Leeds. i know all about it! They shut the centre down when certain teams were playing at Elland Road.

I was at the Viduka 4-3 Scouser match. That was tasty around the ground that day.

Leeds pleaded with Smith to go to the rags as they were going bankrupt and that was the highest offer. Smith didn’t want to go, but did so to help them out.

It didn’t help his reputation though, as you suggest!
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Can’t beat a good old intimidating atmosphere .
 
Juve wants him but with probably zero loan fee, no obligation to buy (= they wont buy him) and us paying large part of his weekly salary for next 6 months too.

best would be if we can get a PL club to make offers, Newcastle probably most in need of a midfielder but doubt they would like to make it permanent either on higher salary.
 
Paul1970 said:
And look what’s happened to smith ! His name is dirt in Leeds and even his grandparents who were season ticket holders basically fucked him off . Can you imagine Phil foden signing for Utd or even rashford coming to us . Sonetines money is not everything
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If that’s true, I feel for him. What absolute stains to call ‘family’.
 
I was reading this morning that we are considering loan offers from Juventus and Newcastle. Why would be consider a loan move ? Phillips has barely played for us, is 28 years old and will surely never come back if he does go on loan. This must be on the only opportunity to recoup most, if not all, of the money we spent on him. He’s hardly like to increase in value as he gets closer to his thirties.
 
Damanino said:
Juve wants him but with probably zero loan fee, no obligation to buy (= they wont buy him) and us paying large part of his weekly salary for next 6 months too.

best would be if we can get a PL club to make offers, Newcastle probably most in need of a midfielder but doubt they would like to make it permanent either on higher salary.
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They’re not in Europe this season. Seems an odd move for 6 months.
 
The main flaw I see with Philips, is his lack of mobiility, He don't move into the right positions, he's slow, he almost seems to actively hide when he shoud be getting in a position to receive a pass.

Was he like this at Leeds?
 
OntarioBlue said:
I was reading this morning that we are considering loan offers from Juventus and Newcastle. Why would be consider a loan move ? Phillips has barely played for us, is 28 years old and will surely never come back if he does go on loan. This must be on the only opportunity to recoup most, if not all, of the money we spent on him. He’s hardly like to increase in value as he gets closer to his thirties.
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I can only think that we have asked if anybody wants to make us an offer and the answer has been ‘no’.
 
Genuine question. I've never been quite clear as to who “picks up the tab” (as the Americans have it) on loans. Surely it's not the club loaning the player out? Why would they actually pay for one of their players to be playing for another team? Or is that written into their contract at the outset? I always presumed that it's the club accommodating the player who pays their salary. I'm also not sure about what that salary has to be. Does it have to be contractually equal to what they were being paid at the loaning club?
 
Lovebitesandeveryfing said:
Genuine question. I've never been quite clear as to who “picks up the tab” (as the Americans have it) on loans. Surely it's not the club loaning the player out? Why would they actually pay for one of their players to be playing for another team? Or is that written into their contract at the outset? I always presumed that it's the club accommodating the player who pays their salary. I'm also not sure about what that salary has to be. Does it have to be contractually equal to what they were being paid at the loaning club?
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Many reasons why the club that owns his contract would pay his wages whilst hes away on loan.
Maybe they want the player to develop and are asking a club to take him to get game time. Win win win for us, the loaning club and the player. I.e mcatee
Maybe hes a bad apple and the club just want rid , out the way, please take him, we’ll cover his wages. I.e cancello
Maybe the club are trying to do a favour to a nice guy , get him playing again, i.e phillips

For example
 
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