Rishi Sunak

Vic said:
Whether you look at the rise in UK real wages under Labour (until 2008) and what's happened since under the Tories (one good year partly catching up with last year), or at the OECD average increase since the crash, the Tories have made you worse off. Most of the sectors where wages have outstripped inflation are those which had a lot of EU workers pre-Brexit (transport, hospitality etc).

Even the triple lock doesn't take account of the inflation increases in basic costs of living (housing, food, fuel) which are higher than the inflation average.
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I love your ‘until 2008’ proviso on Labour’s record.

Maybe you should do a review of the Titanic’s maiden voyage and not mention the iceberg.
 
Bodicoteblue said:
I think it’s because immigration is an easy concept for the assorted fuckwits to understand.
Discuss economics, public spending, and the effects of interest rates and inflation etc, and watch people glaze over. Sadly these are the things that affect them the most, but don‘t get the understanding or attention.
But talk about foreigners coming here ‘illegally’, ‘invasions‘ and attacks on our culture and our women and children and the old blood starts boiling and the gut reactions kick in.
As you say, irrational, but you can see how important it is to this collection of washed up, clapped out no hopers when they have nothing else.
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People like narratives far better than fact based explanations.

Everybody is guilty of this because critical thinking takes time and energy and insight, when the alternative doesn't, but the fuckwits that blame benefit claimants or asylum seekers are usually the type of people more prone to this type of thinking.

Anybody who is working class or on an average or low income shouldn't be voting Tory, it's just basic logic. They don't represent you, they never have, they never will. But fuckwits never fail to grasp this basic fact of life.
 
Brewster's millions said:
I love your ‘until 2008’ proviso on Labour’s record.

Maybe you should do a review of the Titanic’s maiden voyage and not mention the iceberg.
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The iceberg surfaced in the US, and more than half the countries in the World, including just about all the similar Western economies went into recession post 2008. The UK wasn't even in the top 30 most affected countries.

Suggesting it's a Labour issue is just Osborne's nonsense excuse for fucking the country with austerity.
 
Can somebody please give us some decent debate on what Sunak and the Conservative Party are delivering, instead of inane references to the past?

We should learn from the past but it’s all about the now and what the future holds?
 
bluenova said:
The iceberg surfaced in the US, and more than half the countries in the World, including just about all the similar Western economies went into recession post 2008. The UK wasn't even in the top 30 most affected countries.

Suggesting it's a Labour issue is just Osborne's nonsense excuse for fucking the country with austerity.
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Yeah, the UK did great during the financial crisis.

Strange then that the UK government had to provide the largest and most expensive support package to its financial sector in the whole of the G20, and that as a share of GDP this package was almost three times the size of the EU average. And that the upfront financing of this in the bond markets was also larger in the UK than in any other G20 economy. Or in fact that public sector net debt went from 40% of GDP in 2007 to 140 % of GDP in 2008.

But, other than that, the UK barely missed a beat I suppose.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Yeah, the UK did great during the financial crisis.

Strange then that the UK government had to provide the largest and most expensive support package to its financial sector in the whole of the G20, and that as a share of GDP this package was almost three times the size of the EU average. And that the upfront financing of this in the bond markets was also larger in the UK than in any other G20 economy. Or in fact that public sector net debt went from 40% of GDP in 2007 to 140 % of GDP in 2008.

But, other than that, the UK barely missed a beat I suppose.
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Who said it barely missed a beat?

So, the home of the second biggest financial centre in the World had the most expensive support package?

Suggesting that Labour were in any way uniquely bad in their handling of the 2008 crash is just cheap politics.
 
bluenova said:
Who said it barely missed a beat?

So, the home of the second biggest financial centre in the World had the most expensive support package?

Suggesting that Labour were in any way uniquely bad in their handling of the 2008 crash is just cheap politics.
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The notion that if the Tories been in power at the time of the crash that they would have regulated the banks more is preposterous.

They want to deregulate everything and we’d have been hit far worse.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Can somebody please give us some decent debate on what Sunak and the Conservative Party are delivering, instead of inane references to the past?

We should learn from the past but it’s all about the now and what the future holds?
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If only there was something to discuss.

I would genuinely love to see what they have achieved over 13+ years. I think most past governments of all persuasions could come up with a few things, but I'm genuinely flummoxed with the current Government.

I've seen a list with Getting Brexit Done on it, but the longer away we get from that the more polling suggests even its supporters don't believe it got done.

Free school meals - but that was the Lib Dems insisting.

A few Tory MPs have lists, but they mostly appear to be bigging up a slow increase in services to levels below where they started.

Genuinely interested if people can add to the list.
 
bluenova said:
Who said it barely missed a beat?

So, the home of the second biggest financial centre in the World had the most expensive support package?

Suggesting that Labour were in any way uniquely bad in their handling of the 2008 crash is just cheap politics.
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I think someone a few posts back said that the UK wasn’t even in the top 30 most affected countries. Don’t happen to know who said that do you?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
The notion that if the Tories been in power at the time of the crash that they would have regulated the banks more is preposterous.

They want to deregulate everything and we’d have been hit far worse.
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wasn't Cameron actively pushing for a "lighter touch" to the regulatory system whilst in opposition
 
Brewster's millions said:
I think someone a few posts back said that the UK wasn’t even in the top 30 most affected countries. Don’t happen to know who said that do you?
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In terms of drop in GDP between 2007-2009, they weren't in the top 30.

Ps. Do you have any achievements you could add to the list of Tory successes since 2010? Feels like you're the person to ask.
 
Brewster's millions said:
Yeah, the UK did great during the financial crisis.

Strange then that the UK government had to provide the largest and most expensive support package to its financial sector in the whole of the G20, and that as a share of GDP this package was almost three times the size of the EU average. And that the upfront financing of this in the bond markets was also larger in the UK than in any other G20 economy. Or in fact that public sector net debt went from 40% of GDP in 2007 to 140 % of GDP in 2008.
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Now you're just making stuff up.
 
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