PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Coatigan]

Any chance of bullet points as to what people are arguing about now? I'm guessing there's nothing that's actually new?

Nothing new at all pal.

 

[Gordyola]

I have always maintained CAS took about 15 minutes after starting the hearing to clear us. (Take no notice of the 2-1 majority, the 1 was UEFAs paid member of the commitee).
The more it goes on and City present the third party info to the panel I get the feeling that the panel will not even go to a hearing. The pressure on them to deliver a guilty verdict after reading all City's comprehensive evidence will be enormous and the repercussions even more so if they come back with a guilty verdict without being able to show why. But then I've followed City that long I worry about Huddersfield this weekend;-)

CAS panels are set up from a pool of KCs CAS nominate the chair and each party nominate from the pool, so not a UEFA paid member as such
The PL commission is different PL have a retained KC, a lot has been made that he is an Arsenal fan and it's been said that City have objected to his involvement. He is asked to set up a panel of three, he may or may not sit, on the Everton panel were two KCs and a sports financial expert. The hearing you refer to will only properly extend to the panel and City's legal team interviewing witnesses based on the submissions made by both parties. It will likely take a long time, unlike a trial, the witnesses can be compelled to attend nor, will it open one day and continue day after day until it ends

 

[cheekybids]

Tbh I'm kinda with you on this. I think we'll be fine and I trust the powers that be at our club, But do I think the PL have come after us with not one ounce of evidence and purely to try an ruin our reputation, all because the cartel clubs have instructed them to do so. Nope.

No they’ve come at us with a story in a tabloid newspaper that has already been found to have doctored emails.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Well known fact they met up and had candyfloss before going on a spin the waltzers

sounds like a high school date.

 

[The blue phantom]

No they’ve come at us with a story in a tabloid newspaper that has already been found to have doctored emails.

But surely there must be some evidence. I keep reading they haven't got anything, zero, fuckall. Surely the Kings Council would even say "Are you taking the piss"

 

[KS55]

Brilliant repose @gordondaviesmoustache.

Yeah, @gordondaviesmoustache is great at sleeping.

 

[bluemanchester]

CAS panels are set up from a pool of KCs CAS nominate the chair and each party nominate from the pool, so not a UEFA paid member as such
The PL commission is different PL have a retained KC, a lot has been made that he is an Arsenal fan and it's been said that City have objected to his involvement. He is asked to set up a panel of three, he may or may not sit, on the Everton panel were two KCs and a sports financial expert. The hearing you refer to will only properly extend to the panel and City's legal team interviewing witnesses based on the submissions made by both parties. It will likely take a long time, unlike a trial, the witnesses can be compelled to attend nor, will it open one day and continue day after day until it ends

Thanks for the reply and the way the panel will operate. Maybe with UEFAs choice at CAS I should have said someone who has worked for them before as that is what I thought I had read. Either way he was their choice and unlikely to go against them and I find it bewildering that the panel could comment no evidence or suchlike so many times and he still thought City were guilty. As they say anything can happen at a trial so maybe panels are similar;-)
If the evidence the PL have is as flimsy as UEFAs and Citys third party evidence is comprehensively overwhelming, the question is, what are they going to discuss for any length of time once they have seen the evidence.
But who knows, maybe they will roll their trousers up to their knees, display a garter or two bang a staff on the floor and demote City to regional football or string Masters and his bedfellows from the rafters.
Just waiting for this thread to reach 10,000 pages will be interesting;-)

 

[mancboy]

But surely there must be some evidence. I keep reading they haven't got anything, zero, fuckall. Surely the Kings Council would even say "Are you taking the piss"

its not the kings council , thats the point its an independent panel set up so they have to take into account whats presented no matter how derisory it is.

This is why i dont believe that their evidence amounts to anything because if they had actual evidence of what we are being accused of then this would be a criminal investigation which also involved the face not an independent panel.

 

[Gordyola]

But surely there must be some evidence. I keep reading they haven't got anything, zero, fuckall. Surely the Kings Council would even say "Are you taking the piss"

Of course there is evidence just like at CAS the said evidence will be examined and cross examined, then a verdict

I was on jury service we sat and listened to the evidence, the difference between that presented by CPS and the defence was staggering. The CPS evidence, and their witnesses, did not stand up to cross examination and frankly the CPS were an embarrassment truly unbelievable that they even presented it

So, evidence yes, does it have any substance or value is the question

 

[Chris in London]

i think if the PL had anything on us we would have been chucked under the bus by now at least with an interim charge, thats one from 115 that would stick and they could have restricted us this season either on transfers or points deduction but nothing the silence is defening, to me it points that the PL have no idea what there doing, i would go as far as saying there now looking for a way out without looking like a bunch of incompetent fools, No better way out than handing everything to the IR and saying 'well nothing to do with us now' watch this space

I think there are two possible plausible explanations for the PL's silence since announcing the charges.

The first is that they saw the leaks coming out of UEFA prior to CAS, they saw the way that we responded to that and they are determined either to act fairly or not make the same mistakes UEFA made (depending on your perspective).

The second is that they have not leaked any evidence because there is nothing to leak.

To my mind, this second is by some distance the more probable of the two. When you think back to the announcement of the charges, IIRC the media knew before the club did that we were being charged. We all heard the rumours - substantially true - about the punishment being visited on Everton before the independent panel revealed its findings. An organisation that leaky does not, in my view, tighten up its ship overnight. You can imagine that the source of that type of confidential information is not breaching that duty of confidence just for shits and giggles or from the goodness of their heart, but is being rewarded in some way or another for putting their position at risk in that way. So if there was some reward on offer for the mere fact that charges were imminent, imagine what would be on offer for evidence demonstrating City's guilt.

Those who have expressed an opinion based on some knowledge and professional experience have pretty unanimously expressed the view that bearing in mind the severity of the charges brought, making them stick would require significantly more evidence, and much more cogent evidence, than is in the public domain at the moment. It is certainly possible that there is substantial evidence amassed against us, which we are yet to hear of because the PL have kept a lid on it. It seems unlikely to me that this is the case. If there truly was a smoking gun, my feeling is that someone would have leaked it.

 

[cheekybids]

But surely there must be some evidence. I keep reading they haven't got anything, zero, fuckall. Surely the Kings Council would even say "Are you taking the piss"

Did UEFAs lawyers allow them to ban City & find them guilty of charges that were already time barred in their own rules.

Or maybe they told them this will fail & they ignored it.

 

[M18CTID]

But surely there must be some evidence. I keep reading they haven't got anything, zero, fuckall. Surely the Kings Council would even say "Are you taking the piss"

I know I'm repeating what others have already said but my guess is that there is evidence but that evidence is very flimsy - probably amounting to no more or not much more than the evidence that UEFA had. However, regardless of how flimsy it is, I think that the panel still have to go through the process of conducting a hearing and entertaining that evidence rather than laughing it out of the place. When you read the CAS report, there are hints all over that UEFA's evidence against us was nothing short of a joke but CAS can't come out and say that it's a joke as much as it would've been funny as fuck seeing that! Their wording has to be more professional than that

 

[Cityfan1977]

can anyone enlightened me, a lawyer told me that the same law firm and account people worked for City and Everton is that true ?

 

[City Mike 1969]

can anyone enlightened me, a lawyer told me that the same law firm and account people worked for City and Everton is that true ?

I can't enlighten you as such, other than to state that what you were told sounds like one of the biggest piles of steaming shite I've ever heard in my life.

 

[Coatigan]

No they’ve come at us with a story in a tabloid newspaper that has already been found to have doctored emails.

Sure mate. Ok.

 

[Asa's left peg]

Their temptation will be to leak some more bs before the Liverpool or United games, but personally I think they will leave until the day before the 4th title in a row.

 

[cheekybids]

Sure mate. Ok.

Do you know of any more evidence?

Or are you basing it on they must have something, therefore we must have done something.

 

[blue ranger]

Can't wait for us to go nuclear on this.

If we could go nuclear with this so called smoking gun we would have done already. I really don’t think it exists.

 

[give it to gordon]

They went for a ride on the donkeys and that's where Klopp got the idea to buy Nunez.

Thought you were going to day....and that's where klopp got the idea to buy new teeth

 

[Mancity1980]

Yeah, @gordondaviesmoustache is great at sleeping.

Hmm, sounds like you two are intimate…:)

I think the word I was looking for was retort!