Joey Barton

[Oyster28catcher]

Having an opinion that she, whoever it may be is a shit pundit doesn’t make you a misogynist in the same way a woman saying he is a shit pundit doesn’t make you a misandrist.

Biggest problem is too many are too quick with the pile on with the name calling and labelling.

Can't take someone seriously if he's allegedly beaten his wife, and it had been thrown out on the legal equivalent of VAR.
And with his track record, mothing he speaks deserves any traction. Look at the rapsheet by the French FA. The boy is a heaving pile of turdish misogyny. That's without thinking about his new love of the word meritocracy.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

The only decent female pundit i will listen to is the Chelsea manager Emma Hayes , she knows her stuff and talks sense , i also like Jill Scott she has some insight into the game.
In my era i was lucky enough to witness great commentators like David Coleman , Barry Davies , Gerald Sinstadt , Motty and others who didnt have an agenda , it was straight forward observational commentary , the snide digs at players and clubs was minimal if any at all.

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

Haha yes racism and sexism. Great work haha.

Anybody offering to empty Ratboy has my attention.

 

[mattcity5]

Having an opinion that she, whoever it may be is a shit pundit doesn’t make you a misogynist in the same way a woman saying he is a shit pundit doesn’t make you a misandrist.

Biggest problem is too many are too quick with the pile on with the name calling and labelling.

Not read all the way through the thread and I'm not going to, but if you think he's just said some woman is a shit pundit then you've missed a hell of a lot.

Nowt wrong with saying a pundit is shit, but he's gone way past that.

He's a prick and the likes of him make the world a bit shitter for everyone except himself.

 

[Bantamgaz]

The only decent female pundit i will listen to is the Chelsea manager Emma Hayes , she knows her stuff and talks sense , i also like Jill Scott she has some insight into the game.
In my era i was lucky enough to witness great commentators like David Coleman , Barry Davies , Gerald Sinstadt , Motty and others who didnt have an agenda , it was straight forward observational commentary , the snide digs at players and clubs was minimal if any at all.

Yeah but the sly digs at clubs is to please a bunch of gloryhunting pricks who jumped on Skys bandwagon when football became cool to watch............... i said before that i actually dont mind female pundits so long as they know what they are on about sadly some like the men are thick as shit

 

[Ric]

Questioning the ability of individual pundits is fair enough (fwiw, I don’t think there are many good ones, regardless of gender). However, Barton’s view is that women shouldn’t be allowed to do punditry for men’s games, full stop. That stance is obviously inherently sexist.

 

[blueinsa]

Not read all the way through the thread and I'm not going to, but if you think he's just said some woman is a shit pundit then you've missed a hell of a lot.

Nowt wrong with saying a pundit is shit, but he's gone way past that.

He's a prick and the likes of him make the world a bit shitter for everyone except himself.

You should take the time to read it then rather than picking a post in isolation, failing to understand what I was saying in relation to certain posts and coming up with 2+2=5 and trying to say I’ve missed a hell of a lot, thinking that is all he has said.

 

[Blue and true]

Questioning the ability of individual pundits is fair enough (fwiw, I don’t think there are many good ones, regardless of gender). However, Barton’s view is that women shouldn’t be allowed to do punditry for men’s games, full stop. That stance is obviously inherently sexist.

It's sad how this needs spelling out for some.

 

[mattcity5]

Questioning the ability of individual pundits is fair enough (fwiw, I don’t think there are many good ones, regardless of gender). However, Barton’s view is that women shouldn’t be allowed to do punditry for men’s games, full stop. That stance is obviously inherently sexist.

I'd extend that further Ric. He basically said women shouldn't speak about men's football because if a low standard men's team played a top women's team they'd batter them.

This is true, but the majority of the reason behind that is why most men and women's sport is separate - physical build. It doesn't mean that an eloquent female ex-pro can't explain tactics or what certain situations are like from a player's perspective.

Meanwhile most of the top male ex-pros just talk about getting stuck in and haven't a clue how top sides approach games these days anyway.

Continuing his theme, he must also be suggesting that the likes of Serena Williams shouldn't speak about men's tennis and Paula Radcliffe shouldn't speak about men's athletics because she isnt as quick as a man.

What he's saying is very different to just saying some female experts are rubbish. And to be honest, even when he's doing that part he's doing it in a really unnecessarily nasty way. He's an absolute wanker and shouldn't be given the air time.

 

[Jesus2020]

Just popping in to say that this? Is why I stopped posting here (this thread came up on a search). Because I am a woman and I am a football fan and according to posters like this, I don’t belong here. Even if I was a City fan, I wouldn’t belong here.

Barton doesn’t have a problem with men commentating on women’s games. Odd, that.

I'm with you on this in that being female shouldn't mean you can't comment on games, or be a pundit. I think the issue is when females are given these roles based on nothing other than being female and meeting a quota. Barton does have a point, it's just a shame the way he makes it means no one will give it any real debate.

 

[Cityfan]

I think someone should let Arrigo Sacchi know that you should play at the highest level before you understand mens football.

 

[Ric]

I think someone should let Arrigo Sacchi know that you should play at the highest level before you understand mens football.

See also Jose Mourinho, Arsene Wenger, Julian Nagelsmann etc.

 

[jamielowndes]

Questioning the ability of individual pundits is fair enough (fwiw, I don’t think there are many good ones, regardless of gender). However, Barton’s view is that women shouldn’t be allowed to do punditry for men’s games, full stop. That stance is obviously inherently sexist.

I genuinely don't understand how people need this spelling out for them.

We have a thread of over a THOUSAND pages talking about how shit the media are (which is predominantly men) and this twat pipes up about how only men are qualified to talk about men's football and people act like its a valid point.

Being an ex mens player doesn't mean anything if you're talking out your arse.

Lets be absolutely honest with ourselves, Jamie Carragher had a much better career than Nedum Onuoha. Now tell me which one is the better pundit, and the answer doesn't even have anything to do with club allegiances.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

some of the female pundits are 10 times better than the men.

Alex Scott was one of them.

Izzy Christiansen is another.

Some of the stuff coming out of our pundits/commentators' mouths (male/female) are atrocious.

I do agree that we should have the games sticking with the same gender, male-only for men's football and vice versa.

But also Barton is a prick, would love for him to be seriously hurt

 

[BlueHammer85]

If he just stuck to female pundits as his basis for hate then I’d agree that there’s something wrong with him - the fact he’s gone full whacko over everything just proves he’s joined the gravy train where hate/division can increase his following/traffic and it’s all solely to make money.

more outraged people get the more he’s creaming it.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

If he just stuck to female pundits as his basis for hate then I’d agree that there’s something wrong with him - the fact he’s gone full whacko over everything just proves he’s joined the gravy train where hate/division can increase his following/traffic and it’s all solely to make money.

more outraged people get the more he’s creaming it.

Probably not creaming it. Just finding validation via other shitheads

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

I think Joey’s right.

I also think that only strikers should be able to comment on strikers, only left-footed players should be able to comment on left-footed players, only bald pundits should be able to have an opinion on Pep, only Klopp should be able to comment on The Banana Splits etc etc

Why anyone gives a fuck whether someone commentating or commenting on the game is male or female, white or black, gay or straight, tall or short, bespectacled or not is just beyond me. Surely all that matters is whether they are saying anything interesting or insightful?

 

[Mon Autre]

Anybody offering to empty Ratboy has my attention.

Shame that his quest for attention has to come at the expense of women, trans folks and people of colour. But yep so long as Gary Neville gets an empty threat levelled his way I suppose it's all worth it.

 

[cheekybids]

But, they're shit? Isn't that his fundamental gripe? Rory Smith has probably never kicked a ball straight, but was still BT Sports best panelist by a country mile. The belief that you need to have played at the highest level to have worthwhile opinions holds no weight.

Also just read Barton assualted his wife in the past, kicking her in the head and choking her. Any man that treats women like that commands zero respect from me, and forfeits their right to an opinion on women's involvement in our game, in any capacity.

Rory Smith is a snide **** & throws in a lot of bullshit whilst sounding like an expert.

It would take me all day to list his errors. However I’m not sure if they are deliberate lies.

 

[Crooked_rain]

I think someone should let Arrigo Sacchi know that you should play at the highest level before you understand mens football.

Didn't John Terry once say Robbie Savage shouldn't comment on him because he never played at a high a level as him? - Funny that considering the best manager he had didn't have a proper playing career.

That's the thing, you don't have to have competed at the highest standard to be very knowledgeable. In boxing, pretty much most the most decorated trainers of all time never had a pro career, or were low level journeymen.

Obviously punditry is difficult because they want recognisable faces on the telly, but it doesn't mean because they won dozens of trophies that they have the ability to break down or pass on knowledge. There's probably ex conference players that could do it better than some ex Premier league pundits, they just never had the athletic gifts to get to that level, so they don't have the name value to get a job on Sky.