PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Dribble said:
To be fair, Ratboy has always been understanding of our plight & is one of the few who's called out FFP/PSR for the bullshit scams they are.

Spuds being praised as a model club is a case in point. They've not progressed beyond those ahead & the chasing pack behind, they've dragged everyone back to their level by supporting FFP/PSR.

The PL are in a race to the bottom of European football. It's evident the Red Top Mafia & Spuds couldn’t give a fuck, as long as when the PL hits the pits with a splat, they're still ahead of everyone else.

Utter madness! We need to launch a hostile takeover of the Premier League alongside the chasing pack who're finally waking up to the bit part they'll always play in the PL, with the way things currently stand.
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You talk a lot of sense on this subject mate but never, ever let Neville persuade you he is anything but the snidest of cunts.
 
CC1 said:
as far as I can see, he was just defending UEFA‘s decision to charge us. He had to say he felt UEFA were right. Not once did he say CAS were wrong in their findings.
Telegraph wanted something to twist
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Unless the Telegraph fabricated his comments Ceferin's precise quote was: "We know we were right. We wouldn't decide if we didn't think we were right." Then he started backpedalling saying things like but of course we respect the CAS decision. Has he retracted his comments today or said anything about it?
He's the Head of UEFA and a lawyer who deals wilth the media all the time. He knew what he was doing and left it out there. It was the first salvo in his campaign to ban mullti-club owners and he has City in his sights. I am sure Khaldoon doesn't trust a word he says. Remember we sent him packing during that pre-Christmas meeting at the Etihad when he was trying to cut a deal with us before CAS got involved. Ceferin is a snake.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
But there aren't 115 discrete or separate offences.

There are essentially 2 - that we overstated revenue because of 'fake' sponsorships and we didn't report payments to a manager and the players.

You could probably split that first one into Etihad and Etisalat, although disguised owner investment is the core of those.

The second is more properly two separate issues, which are Mancini's Al Jazira contract and image rights payments to players.

There are two further offences, which cover FFP and the PL's own financial rules. If the first two can't be proven then these further two are irrelevant.

The 115 comes from splitting these charges across different rules and multiple years. The sponsorship ones cover 50 of the 115 and if the PL fail to land their case on these then that's 50 that fall at one fell swoop.

It's a common theme from fans that "115 charges. You must have done something wrong". That's a complete lack of understanding of the real situation.
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Thanks yet again for explaining this, PB. It's years back now that so many City supporters swallowed the "no smoke without fire" philosophy in the run up to the CAS hearing. How depressing that there are still those who think we must have done something or why are we accused now of 115 offences. The scales of justice, eh! But then again, like a true Liverpool fan despite any evidence at all Ceferin "just knows" UEFA was right and CAS was wrong. And as he doesn't tire of pointing out, he was a"trial lawyer for twenty five years". God help us.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Unless the Telegraph fabricated his comments Ceferin's precise quote was: "We know we were right. We wouldn't decide if we didn't think we were right." Then he started backpedalling saying things like but of course we respect the CAS decision. Has he retracted his comments today or said anything about it?
He's the Head of UEFA and a lawyer who deals wilth the media all the time. He knew what he was doing and left it out there. It was the first salvo in his campaign to ban mullti-club owners and he has City in his sights. I am sure Khaldoon doesn't trust a word he says. Remember we sent him packing during that pre-Christmas meeting at the Etihad when he was trying to cut a deal with us before CAS got involved. Ceferin is a snake.
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“We know we were right”

Mad as fuck he still thinks that after being proved wrong at CAS.

There’s a shilling missing a bit somewhere.
 
Brightwell Bros. said:
Putting to one side the rights and wrongs of it, it's increasingly hard to argue that the Etihad deal hasn't been amazing value for money for them as a brand. In, say, the same way that it's hard to argue that Kyle Walker, who were roundly mocked for spending that much money on a defender, hasn't been amazing value for money as well. I know City shape the market as much as reflect it, but still.
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Everyone knows Etihad are an airline in the Middle East because of their association with City. Nobody would have had a clue who they were before 2009, so their sponsorship of the stadium and shirt has been a rip roaring success for their part. City get £67.5 million a year whilst Arsenal get £50 million from Emirates, let’s highlight this as Arsenal who have never won the champions league, haven’t won the Premier League in two decades and don’t consistently qualify for the Champions league like City do. Not to mention the 7 Premier League titles since 2012 City have won. Looking at that it’s by far market value, if someone buys a football team why can’t a relation to that person sponsor it?
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Unless the Telegraph fabricated his comments Ceferin's precise quote was: "We know we were right. We wouldn't decide if we didn't think we were right." Then he started backpedalling saying things like but of course we respect the CAS decision. Has he retracted his comments today or said anything about it?
He's the Head of UEFA and a lawyer who deals wilth the media all the time. He knew what he was doing and left it out there. It was the first salvo in his campaign to ban mullti-club owners and he has City in his sights. I am sure Khaldoon doesn't trust a word he says. Remember we sent him packing during that pre-Christmas meeting at the Etihad when he was trying to cut a deal with us before CAS got involved. Ceferin is a snake.
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It is bizarre to say the least that Ceferin knows the adjudicatory panel were right but that he respects (not accepts but respects) a decision which in his eyes was completely wrong. Almost as strange as for a trial lawyer for twenty five years basing his view on no evidence at all. A great guy!
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
City can't speak out publically at the moment because it would undermine our legal position. I would hope we have spoken privately to Ceferin though. When this case is finally resolved hopefully the club will speak openly and in detail making our "irrefutable evidence" clear to the whole world. This is the least our fans deserve. We are the paying customers.
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Khaldoon did say last post-season interview, "now is not the right moment to speak about this, but there will be a time when I have plenty to say on the subject".
He said it with a smile that looked convincing. The suspense is going to be worth the wait I'm certain.
 
BeerIsTheBest said:
I liked your post but just add this for a sideways look at the clubs passive position.

I had read in several places that we scored points with CAS in demonstrating evidence of the tidal wave of pre-judgement, prejudicial comments and biased vitriol pre-hearing - and much from influencers in positions of power like Creterin.

Maybe, just maybe the club are boiling but keeping quiet and creating the evidence file which starts with the message…‘we have already been judged and hung, this myopic, one sided hysteria without any substance must have a bearing on the conscious and subconscious of the committee members.’
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This is my hope as well. Our defence tactics from day one with UEFA and now the PL have been that these organisations have been acting in bad faith. The more leaks and negative briefings from our enemies the more ammo for us. Ceferin scored a huge own goal before the CAS case by speaking openly about the "concrete" case. Now he has been spouting off again. City also know that our commercial rivals are still briefing against us to the media. They just can't help themselves. As far as I can see, nothing has come out of City. If the panel is an honest one they will be influenced by this.
 
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Brightwell Bros. said:
Putting to one side the rights and wrongs of it, it's increasingly hard to argue that the Etihad deal hasn't been amazing value for money for them as a brand. In, say, the same way that it's hard to argue that Kyle Walker, who were roundly mocked for spending that much money on a defender, hasn't been amazing value for money as well. I know City shape the market as much as reflect it, but still.
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Had this discussion the other day, showing my age here but when I think of the great football sides (on the pitch) of my youth its Liverpool with Crown Paint on the front of the shirt, them with Sharp over the kits, Everton and NEC (still I do not know what that was / is) Arsenal and JVC and of course Brother over our own (with a nod to Phillips and Saab) - its the same with City and Etihad today. 400 million including the stadium rights at the start for the exposure the Etihad brand got was a steal! The sponsor sticks with you if you see it enough times. School run today in North Lanarkshire and I'm allowing myself a little smile as I spot 1,2 then 3 branded City bags on the ground amongst the Old Firm stuff - same all over the world I'm sure.
 
It’ll never stop,only when we become less successful and not being a winning machine will it fall away,the whole constant media attack on the club and fans is starting to wear fans down,as someone posted earlier the club would be best advising certain journalists from attending as they wouldn’t be able to guarantee their safety as I can see one of them being seriously injured..
 
halfcenturyup said:
Nope. The true amount from the point of view of the audited accounts is the amount in the contract between the two parties, as long as it is at fair value, the one party has provided services to the value of the contract and the other party has paid in full. How the paying party is funded, is irrelevant to the accounts in my view.

The only reason this is an issue is because of the PL rules. The annual accounts don't have to take the PL rules into account.

Don't get me wrong, the allegations can meet the legal definition of fraud, but imho the accounts give a true and fair view just as they are. And the alleged misstatement of the accounts is the most serious allegation by a long way.

All in my opinion as an accountant, not a lawyer, so I am quite happy to be blasted again.
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I actually enjoy all your posts. Lots of common sense in what you type.
 
Ok we all talk about the damage it could do to the club if found guilty, But what will it mean to Pep and the player's Reputations, The damage to the image of the best Manager in the world PEP, We knew he could not win titles and cups without cheating its all fake, Peps a fake

How can EPL and FA look Pep in the eyes and say sorry it all counts for nothing, Pep changed English football and put England back on the world stage with players so technically gifted that they can play anywhere on the pitch,

I even think it could damage English football, Sponsorship deals, media, and TV rights, and The whole of the Premier League will be darkened and this has never been mentioned, Yes if we are found guilty then I also question why has it taken so look to deal with it and why NOW after the best season any English club has archived in football,
 
Stoned Rose said:
“We know we were right”

Mad as fuck he still thinks that after being proved wrong at CAS.

There’s a shilling missing a bit somewhere.
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Says that whilst also saying they must respect the CAS decision, to me there is a marked lack of respect in making that comment and we should be after him for libel or defamation
 
halfcenturyup said:
Well, thank you. Just never forget that I am often wrong :)
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You’re one of the key contributers to this forum. I appreciate and respect your views alongside all the other top guys. In my opinion it helps keep us all sane during this unprecedented attack on our wonderful club and fans.
It may have galvanised Pep if what I’m reading is correct. I read that he has thrown his support to the club even if we are relegated 6 divisions. That is immense if true. Imagine Pep as our manager in the national league.
 
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