PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

meltonblue said:
Yep that’s what I thought too io, At least for us. If we’re found guilty then any allegations of fraud I’d have thought would have been potentially more against Etihad and Etisalat.

That’s also why I think some of the allegations are completely unprovable though, at least by a premier league independent commission.
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If for no other reason that any evidence of such a fraud, in the very unlikely case that it ever happened, would be at ADUG, Etihad and Etisalat, not at MCFC, and I am pretty sure the club has kept the Pandora's box of external evidence tightly closed away from the investigation. Which is why the PL are so pissed.
 
halfcenturyup said:
If for no other reason that any evidence of such a fraud, in the very unlikely case that it ever happened, would be at ADUG, Etihad and Etisalat, not at MCFC, and I am pretty sure the club has kept the Pandora's box of external evidence tightly closed away from the investigation. Which is why the PL are so pissed.
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Exactly. And if they do find us guilty, they’ll also be saying executives at those companies committed perjury.

These aren’t things you do lightly.
 
adr2.8i said:
I know the breaches are a hot topic and will be a monumental story if we are found guilty, but I find it kinda strange that not one single person (well not to my knowledge anyway) has ever come onto any station to try and explain to the public the reasons why we could be innocent?? You know just to show some semblance of impartiality at least?? We know there's guys on here who are doing a sterling job of explaining to us our finances, and I see them on twitter defending us to the hilt with facts, but there's not a single high profile person in the media who has actually tried to be logical/impartial to try and explain how we "could" be completely innocent. Sly sports could easily dig out the info and get some charts and graphics up too show the world. It's kinda criminal that we aren't being supported or at least given some exposure of how we could just well be a fucking amazingly run club??!!! If the shoe was on the other foot and united or Liverpool were under investigation, you can bet your bottom dollar spitty and nev and co would be constantly on the box in defense of their club, but we get fuck all!!!
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Stand up Micah Richards LOL
 
Pontypool Blue said:
I don't think that analogy is accurate. the builder you describe is only in it to make profit and earn a living, however If the same builder was in it to win a 9 month competition with agreed rules against 19 other builders to see who could build the most houses that would be more accurate. (not withstanding that 3 or 4 in the competition were trying hard to change said rules so only they could win it every year)
That Said FFP was and is a crock of shit, even if the club who now benefits from it the most is now us as we have reached the top.

I believe changes will have to come now and Newcastle have the most to gain from ones that allow more spending. An announcement that the Barcodes are making a legal challenge to FFP coming soon you saw it here 1st.
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As you said,it's a crock of shit...my point is correctisimo !!
 
eastmanc said:
Ceferin is a sly bastard. After we were found to have done nothing wrong by CAS he was ringing Kaldoon saying no hard feelings and City were a valuable member of the UEFA family. Proper smiling assassin turn around and he'll stab you in the back.
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Top buzz when we won his silly little competition.
 
argyle said:
Why would they give a shit about the nonsense being written by shit journalists and pundits? The only people who believe it are rival fans who would hate us anyway no matter what.

It's a free country and people can write what they want. They're increasingly just screaming into the void though.

City will just carry on winning everything, treble winners, going for 4 PL trophies in a row, posting record revenues and profits, an increasing number of supporters around the world, etc...

It's City fans that need to stop giving a shit about what is written.
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Absolutely. I don’t worry at all about poor journos who will write anything to get clicks. The journos themselves don’t take the issues seriously, so why should we.?
 
FLManc said:
Really?
Alongside the Spanish twats, German twats, Italian twats and, the biggest twats of them all....
arsenal, trafford, redscouse, levy's.
Don't think we need to join anything new with those fuckers.
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“And the Twats champions of 2035 are City”
”Fuck me“ said Ceferin “They’ve done it again.”
 
Metalartin said:
No doubt someone will say relax and ignore it and it will all be fine. But I agree, this Terry guy is almost as bad as Goldbridge, both rags(though I suspect Terry is a real United fan) who probably have no connection to Manchester/Trafford making most of their clicks from bashing City. Both taking things too far with what they are saying/putting in their video titles. They'll directly reference people like Simon Jordan and Nick Harris too and like it or not, it is a factor in the increasing level of hysteria and fume directed towards City and City fans. Some are only seeing half of the picture in that respect, ie how City fans are reacting to the onslaughts.

Just from what I watched there, before clicking off in disgust, he's taken Čeferin out of context and has suggested he's said what he has not. I don't think saying 'I'm paraphrasing here' before saying something incorrect, is much of a defence, legally, but will he be held to account? Will they take as little action as getting his video pulled, possibly resulting in a strike against his channel for misinformation? No, because the club are too soft and perhaps we as a fanbase are too laid back(I have reported that video for misinformation on two counts, title and the quote he 'paraphrased'), or at least too reasonable compared to Liverpool and United fans.. Maybe even Newcastle fans, judging by how light they are getting off, considering how many boxes their ownership ticks. I've nothing against Newcastle but it's worse, lets just tell it how it is, directly owned by a state and much worse one than the UAE from a moral standpoint.
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What am I missing? We took Ceferin and UEFA to CAS and we won. Why would the words of Ceferin represent anything more than the words of a sore loser? The highest court in Europe for sport has already ruled in our favor. His opinion is not only parochial but lacks any validity. But somehow him saying he thinks we were guilty is treated like some big revelation by the press and these mutts on social media. It's outright comical. There's not an ounce of common sense being applied and it's deliberate.

Last week the big headline was City to be relegated. Never mind the FACT that Stefan Borson's main point on his Talk Shit appearance was that he believed the Prem could not prove their case. Relegation was only mentioned as a possibility if were we to lose. How is that news?

This Terry Flewers on his The Football Terrace stream on YouTube took an email that Nick Harris posted on Twitter relative to our bringing Brahim Diaz to City and spun it into City "trafficking" underage players into our academy. The email says nothing except that we need to be careful to ensure we basically dot our I's and cross our T's in terms of his parents establishing themselves as living in Manchester. How the fuck does this guy have the balls to use a term like trafficking? He goes on to call that demented fuck Nick Harris a very credible journalist several times and he concludes with a statement that this invalidates our entire academy set up and all the benefits we've derived in terms of players and profits from sales.

You can't make this up in terms of the public gaslighting going on day in and day out both in the press and on social media. It does make me wonder if all these assholes were so sure City were guilty of all the things they're being accused of doing why do all this piling on of obvious misrepresentations, exaggerations, and slurs? The lack of objectivity speaks volumes to the fact that they HATE us, simple as. Truth and justice hold no place in any of this for them whether we are guilty or not. It's a disgusting public shaming that's unwarranted and unethical even if we were actually guilty of some misdeeds. But if we are eventually cleared there has to be a reckoning. What that is I don't know, buy I know it can't be forgive and forget, not for me...
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Observing the money to be made, I’ve decided to become a ‘City Basher’.

I’ve enjoyed my time as a City fan, but the financial reward is too great to resist.
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Of course it makes financial sense.
You disrespectful motherfucker. :)
 
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halfcenturyup said:
Nope. The true amount from the point of view of the audited accounts is the amount in the contract between the two parties, as long as it is at fair value, the one party has provided services to the value of the contract and the other party has paid in full. How the paying party is funded, is irrelevant to the accounts in my view.

The only reason this is an issue is because of the PL rules. The annual accounts don't have to take the PL rules into account.

Don't get me wrong, the allegations can meet the legal definition of fraud, but imho the accounts give a true and fair view just as they are. And the alleged misstatement of the accounts is the most serious allegation by a long way.

All in my opinion as an accountant, not a lawyer, so I am quite happy to be blasted again.
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All I can see in the PL rules we've been charged under is a requirement to provide accurate, true and fair accounts, prepared to recognised accounting standards and audited. In fact the current handbook doesn't even specify that, just prepared in line with applicable legal and regulatory requirements.

The PL will have to prove that we knowingly accepted money from Etihad that we knew had been provided by ADUG. But CAS kicked that claim into the legal equivalent of Row Z.
 
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