The Conservative Party

inbetween said:
State intervention shouldn't be about wiping our arses all of the time because that is detrimental to everything else as there just aren't unlimited resources. Teachers for example should be teaching and not brushing kid's teeth just because the parents can't be arsed or don't have time to do it.

Would you be happy that your kids are receiving an inadequate education because teachers are too busy brushing teeth and feeding the kids of inadequate parents? It's impossible for the country to employ 2x teachers, one to brush teeth and one to actually teach the kids so everyone suffers.

There are a lot of ideas other than just accepting the problem. Can parents be given the right to more flexible hours? What about subsidising childcare costs or the cost of after school activities etc? Why not actually ask the parents themselves what the problem is? Nobody wants to bring kids up badly, there will be a way to prevent these problems and sort it out.

Some would say that your idea sounds like nanny state but actually it's something that's even worse than now. By removing responsibility we're actually choosing to accept a country where parents can neglect their kids and people can smoke and drink themselves to death because don't worry the state will clean up the mess.
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feeding and brushing the teeth of kids who’s parents can’t be arsed to do so is exactly what we should be doing ….


don’t punish kids for their parents failures.
 
bluethrunthru said:
This is our money folks - being wasted - the Govt that disregarded the "wargame" into a pandemic and that depleted our ability to respond to a threat that their own report said was the biggest threat we faced is now stripping away the capability to combat a future threat. Doubtless the same mentality is the one that has left our military threadbare.

www.mirror.co.uk

Thousands of Covid ventilators bought for £50k flogged off for as little as £100

The Good Law Project found the ventilator machines bought during the coronavirus pandemic are now up for grabs at online auctions, after being kept in expensive storage facilities
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Tax payers money ??
 
inbetween said:
State intervention shouldn't be about wiping our arses all of the time because that is detrimental to everything else as there just aren't unlimited resources. Teachers for example should be teaching and not brushing kid's teeth just because the parents can't be arsed or don't have time to do it.

Would you be happy that your kids are receiving an inadequate education because teachers are too busy brushing teeth and feeding the kids of inadequate parents? It's impossible for the country to employ 2x teachers, one to brush teeth and one to actually teach the kids so everyone suffers.

There are a lot of ideas other than just accepting the problem. Can parents be given the right to more flexible hours? What about subsidising childcare costs or the cost of after school activities etc? Why not actually ask the parents themselves what the problem is? Nobody wants to bring kids up badly, there will be a way to prevent these problems and sort it out.

Some would say that your idea sounds like nanny state but actually it's something that's even worse than now. By removing responsibility we're actually choosing to accept a country where parents can neglect their kids and people can smoke and drink themselves to death because don't worry the state will clean up the mess.
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Nothing to do with a nanny state everything to do with educating children to care for their health.
Education has always had a health component teaching children to clean their teeth is the same as teaching children to wash their hands and eat healthy, it’s all part of learning in school. Learning is about teeth
At my school we had cookery, sewing and knitting for girls as well as house craft, boys metal and woodwork, that was junior school
The curriculum may have changed but children haven’t, in the best of homes children skip teeth cleaning if they can avoid it they will. It’s not about neglect health has a component in the best of school education
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Nothing to do with a nanny state everything to do with educating children to care for their health.
Education has always had a health component teaching children to clean their teeth is the same as teaching children to wash their hands and eat healthy, it’s all part of learning in school. Learning is about teeth
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It's worth mentioning that when I was in school, I reckon we had a lesson on brushing teeth once. On the other hand, I got a lesson on brushing my teeth every six months from the actual dentist. And that's the issue here. Treating schools as the cheap, easy option. There's nothing wrong with having health lessons in school, but only if you're also properly funding dental care for kids.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
It's worth mentioning that when I was in school, I reckon we had a lesson on brushing teeth once. On the other hand, I got a lesson on brushing my teeth every six months from the actual dentist. And that's the issue here. Treating schools as the cheap, easy option. There's nothing wrong with having health lessons in school, but only if you're also properly funding dental care for kids.
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Teachers put in the same position as the police, expected to plug the gaps in other frontline services that are no longer there.

In some instances they may actually be the better option but only if they are sufficiently funded with the relevant specialists; but as you say it's nothing to do with having the most effective service it's about papering over the cracks caused by cuts in other areas.
 
bluethrunthru said:
This is a wind up yeah? Who resigns from a £118,300 a year job, because he can't afford his mortgage, to take up an £86,584 a year job?

www.bbc.co.uk

George Freeman quit as minister as he 'couldn't afford' mortgage

George Freeman says he could not afford the repayments, despite a salary of £118,300.
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It is ridiculous, but he doesn't need to do much work for the £86,584, and is free to use his "knowledge" to sell access work as a consultant for thousands a day.

On £118,300 he had to work for the Government, and wasn't allowed to take a second job.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Nothing to do with a nanny state everything to do with educating children to care for their health.
Education has always had a health component teaching children to clean their teeth is the same as teaching children to wash their hands and eat healthy, it’s all part of learning in school. Learning is about teeth
At my school we had cookery, sewing and knitting for girls as well as house craft, boys metal and woodwork, that was junior school
The curriculum may have changed but children haven’t, in the best of homes children skip teeth cleaning if they can avoid it they will. It’s not about neglect health has a component in the best of school education
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They're happy to teach where to invest your savings...

Or play Post Office ...
 
bluenova said:
It is ridiculous, but he doesn't need to do much work for the £86,584, and is free to use his "knowledge" to sell access work as a consultant for thousands a day.

On £118,300 he had to work for the Government, and wasn't allowed to take a second job.
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It also means that should he lose his seat (possible as even the big Norfolk majorities will be under threat) he's already active in a marketplace he'll be looking to stay in I assume.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
It's worth mentioning that when I was in school, I reckon we had a lesson on brushing teeth once. On the other hand, I got a lesson on brushing my teeth every six months from the actual dentist. And that's the issue here. Treating schools as the cheap, easy option. There's nothing wrong with having health lessons in school, but only if you're also properly funding dental care for kids.
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It doesn't need a dentist with five years' training to teach how to brush teeth. The cheap, easy option seems OK. But it's not really what a teacher trains for either.

Anyway, never mind kids - it used to be "up and down, up and down, till they're nice and sparkly", now it's "down from the upper gum, up from the lower gum", or "just let the rotating brush head do the work".
 
Another minister being interviewed using the labour party would take us back to square one and no interviewer challenging him on what that actually means , they wont have an answer as it just a slogan but why arent they asked

Sunak on this morning today , bet he says the same thing multiple times
 
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