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Vic said:
Who trains the parents? Isn't it easier to train one person in a school to train the children and let the kids tell their parents how to clean teeth properly?
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I imagine a lifetime of brushing your own teeth should be training enough to pass onto your kids.
Is there something I’m missing here? Is brushing your teeth really that complicated or difficult that a mum or dad can’t show the way?
 
Phil1 said:
I imagine a lifetime of brushing your own teeth should be training enough to pass onto your kids.
Is there something I’m missing here? Is brushing your teeth really that complicated or difficult that a mum or dad can’t show the way?
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See my post above. If it was that easy, why have so many adults and children got tooth decay? Why do dentists employ dental hygienists if it was obvious? Why are Britons' teeth so poor?
 
bluenova said:
It is ridiculous, but he doesn't need to do much work for the £86,584, and is free to use his "knowledge" to sell access work as a consultant for thousands a day.

On £118,300 he had to work for the Government, and wasn't allowed to take a second job.
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in similar news another tale of heartbreak

 
Vic said:
See my post above. If it was that easy, why have so many adults and children got tooth decay? Why do dentists employ dental hygienists if it was obvious? Why are Britons' teeth so poor?
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Because a lot of them eat shite on a daily basis.
We should probably focus on that aspect instead of the actual brushing of teeth.
 
Vic said:
It doesn't need a dentist with five years' training to teach how to brush teeth. The cheap, easy option seems OK. But it's not really what a teacher trains for either.
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But it's okay to use the time of a teacher with 5 years of training? It's not just a question of cost and convenience, it's a question of effectiveness. I'd question how effective a one-off lesson from a teacher is going to be compared to a lesson from a medical professional who has just checked your teeth in detail and knows exactly which bits of your mouth are the problem areas.

Kids teeth aren't rotten because they're not getting a lesson in brushing their teeth from schools, they're rotten because 40% of kids in the UK no longer have regular dental checkups. Teeth are the leading cause of hospitalization for children. The budget for dentistry in the UK has stayed at 3 billion for a decade, which in real terms, is a huge cut in funding. But I wonder how much this lack of funding has cost the rest of the NHS who have to clean up the mess.
 
bluenova said:
There are plenty of other people in school these days, but also I think the idea is to actually get the kids to brush their teeth at school regularly, rather than just teach them once.

I know the teacher's unions have come out against it, but if the situation is so bad, then I'm sure something can be worked out. There's nowhere else where the kids all have to go to on a regular basis, and a more holistic approach to the skills kids learn at school wouldn't be a bad thing in my view.
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Teachers' unions have likely come out against it because they can already see where it'll end up.

"My little Billy had to have a tooth taken out last week. What are we paying you teachers for? I'm going to sue the school."
 
Phil1 said:
I imagine a lifetime of brushing your own teeth should be training enough to pass onto your kids.
Is there something I’m missing here? Is brushing your teeth really that complicated or difficult that a mum or dad can’t show the way?
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well thats clearly not happening is it though? We can either seek to do something to stop kids having bad teeth and clogging hospital admissions because they need treatment or we can pontificate on football fan sites and do nothing.
 
Phil1 said:
I imagine a lifetime of brushing your own teeth should be training enough to pass onto your kids.
Is there something I’m missing here? Is brushing your teeth really that complicated or difficult that a mum or dad can’t show the way?
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It’s hard to brush your kids teeth when you’ve got a vape in one hand and a mobile phone in the other.
 
bluethrunthru said:
in similar news another tale of heartbreak

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There's some crazy research that shows rich people don't think they're rich. Unless they're super wealthy multi-millionaires, they often put themselves in the average bracket.

That guy from Bury, on Question Time, who thought he was in the bottom half of incomes, despite earning £80k+ sums it up.
 
Phil1 said:
I imagine a lifetime of brushing your own teeth should be training enough to pass onto your kids.
Is there something I’m missing here? Is brushing your teeth really that complicated or difficult that a mum or dad can’t show the way?
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The point must be that parents aren't encouraging their kids to brush. The idea isn't to tell a kid how to use a toothbrush - it's to get them to do it on a regular basis.

It's a hell of a lot easier to do that via schools, with the hope that the kids then take that habit back into the home, than to get to millions of random parents directly.
 
bluethrunthru said:
well thats clearly not happening is it though? We can either seek to do something to stop kids having bad teeth and clogging hospital admissions because they need treatment or we can pontificate on football fan sites and do nothing.
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We all have a responsibility as parents. If said parents are failing their kids on such a fundamental issue as dental hygiene or health and hygiene in general then there should be a safety net and schools seem like the natural solution. If it’s such a big issue then surely taking the time in the classroom (and let’s face it, it shouldn’t take that much time) to teach young kids the rights and wrongs will be beneficial for all in the future.

Kudos for the total lack of self awareness when talking about pontificating on a football forum. Fuckinell! Haha!
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Teachers' unions have likely come out against it because they can already see where it'll end up.

"My little Billy had to have a tooth taken out last week. What are we paying you teachers for? I'm going to sue the school."
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Pretty sure they can cope. Kids get taught so much about healthy eating, with multiple projects throughout primary school. Their school dinners are healthy, and they have rules about what they can take in for packed lunches.

Yet I don't see a rush of parents suing schools for their kids being unhealthy.
 
bluenova said:
The point must be that parents aren't encouraging their kids to brush. The idea isn't to tell a kid how to use a toothbrush - it's to get them to do it on a regular basis.

It's a hell of a lot easier to do that via schools, with the hope that the kids then take that habit back into the home, than to get to millions of random parents directly.
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Yeah, I suppose it’s easy to forget how lazy and uninterested some parents are these days.
 
Phil1 said:
It also takes about 5 minutes. No idea how this has become such a big deal.
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I take it you've never taught a class full of 4 or 5 year-olds before.

"Right everyone, get your toothbrushes out."
"You didn't bring yours? No, you can't borrow his."
"Line up at the sink. One at a time."
"Make sure you brush for two minutes. Top, bottom, front, back, behind the teeth."
"Spit, rinse your mouth out with water. Wipe it with a paper towel."
"Right, now the next two."

I'm just imagining a class of 30. I reckon you've probably got two sinks in a reception classroom. For any other year, they'd probably have to go down the hall. You could probably have two around each sink at a time. Each one takes 2 minutes of actual brushing, plus drying, plus the time putting the toothpaste on the brush, and the natural fannying around of a little kid. 5 minutes is probably right. Five minutes multiplied by the amount of students you have to get through and the number of sinks you have, and you're looking at more like 40 minutes for everyone to brush their teeth. Now you could obviously have some of them doing an activity at the same time, but then you're not going to be able to properly supervise the activity and the teeth brushing at the same time. You might have a teaching assistant who could do it, but then any autistic, dyslexic or other SEN student will have to just struggle in the meantime. And of course during that time, the kids can't be doing anything that requires the teacher to address the whole class.

And then there's the question of stuff and hygiene. Is the school supplying the toothpaste/brush or are they bringing them from home? It's not like the school can have spares for kids to forget like they can with a pencil, unless they're going to be single-use.
 
bluenova said:
There's some crazy research that shows rich people don't think they're rich. Unless they're super wealthy multi-millionaires, they often put themselves in the average bracket.

That guy from Bury, on Question Time, who thought he was in the bottom half of incomes, despite earning £80k+ sums it up.
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The best way to feel rich is to avoid lifestyle creep. Almost everyone who makes more money instantly increases their outgoings to the point that they're living month-to-month again. Bigger house, fancier car (on lease, probably), more holidays, private education for the kids, etc. I remember during the financial crash, there were stories about middle class people stealing expensive ham and cheese from the supermarkets, because they couldn't handle the reduction in living standards.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
I take it you've never taught a class full of 4 or 5 year-olds before.

"Right everyone, get your toothbrushes out."
"You didn't bring yours? No, you can't borrow his."
"Line up at the sink. One at a time."
"Make sure you brush for two minutes. Top, bottom, front, back, behind the teeth."
"Spit, rinse your mouth out with water. Wipe it with a paper towel."
"Right, now the next two."

I'm just imagining a class of 30. I reckon you've probably got two sinks in a reception classroom. For any other year, they'd probably have to go down the hall. You could probably have two around each sink at a time. Each one takes 2 minutes of actual brushing, plus drying, plus the time putting the toothpaste on the brush, and the natural fannying around of a little kid. 5 minutes is probably right. Five minutes multiplied by the amount of students you have to get through and the number of sinks you have, and you're looking at more like 40 minutes for everyone to brush their teeth. Now you could obviously have some of them doing an activity at the same time, but then you're not going to be able to properly supervise the activity and the teeth brushing at the same time. You might have a teaching assistant who could do it, but then any autistic, dyslexic or other SEN student will have to just struggle in the meantime. And of course during that time, the kids can't be doing anything that requires the teacher to address the whole class.

And then there's the question of stuff and hygiene. Is the school supplying the toothpaste/brush or are they bringing them from home? It's not like the school can have spares for kids to forget like they can with a pencil, unless they're going to be single-use.
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Whilst I agree with all of that I was referring to it only taking 5 mins a day for parents to show their kids, not teachers with a classroom of 30.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
The best way to feel rich is to avoid lifestyle creep. Almost everyone who makes more money instantly increases their outgoings to the point that they're living month-to-month again. Bigger house, fancier car (on lease, probably), more holidays, private education for the kids, etc. I remember during the financial crash, there were stories about middle class people stealing expensive ham and cheese from the supermarkets, because they couldn't handle the reduction in living standards.
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Thats the thing. We have lived in this modest 3 bed semi for almost 30 years. When the kids were growing up we probably should have moved somewhere larger but we couldn't afford to and when we could afford to we didn't need the extra space and costs lol. Whatever extra cash we had went of giving the kids experiences - we had 2 holidays a year but that was only in a caravan in Bournemouth nothing fancy but that enabled us to experience different things too.

Their school friends had parents who did the life style creep thing and it always saddened me that they came from big houses with flashy cars on the drive and couldn't believe we had a fridge and freezer full of food. And we had no qualms about them having an ice lolly or a bag of crisps. Some people have strange priorities.
 
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