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The Republican Hypocrisy regarding “The Border.”



As Mitch McConnell, the then Senate Majority, now Minority, Leader said when Obama was elected, “My job is to make him a one term President!”

Laid bare in that statement is that the Republican Party, which was in a position to legislate for a better country, would focus on trying to harm the President, and in turn the country, in order to stop the first black President from being successful…and nothing has changed now his VP is the sitting President!

In other bat shit crazy America news, today the Chicago City Council voted for a “ceasefire” in Gaza, at the same time as teenaged students were being gunned down outside their school in a drive-by and there was a mass shooting going on outside an auto supply store, where gunfire broke out between two cars in the parking lot!
 
Did anyone see the senate hearing with Zuckerberg and the like? Fuck me, and I thought politicians were bad for not answering a straight question. It was actually funny watching one of the questioners going down the line and asking each one in turn, "Do you support this bill? Yes or no?" and hearing five different ways of trying to avoid saying no while actually saying no.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Did anyone see the senate hearing with Zuckerberg and the like? Fuck me, and I thought politicians were bad for not answering a straight question. It was actually funny watching one of the questioners going down the line and asking each one in turn, "Do you support this bill? Yes or no?" and hearing five different ways of trying to avoid saying no while actually saying no.
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The ridiculous hypocrisy of the entire circus is palpable!

The same grandstanding (for the cameras and new fundraising video!) politicians who would rather die than have any serious gun control laws, in order to possibly save the slaughter of kids and adults, make tech company CEOs dance for the cameras because some kids got cyber bullied (rather than dare turn that shit off!) and then committed suicide!

Guns & bullets = Good & safe
Computers & Social Media = Deadly weapons

Got it!

Politics in this country is a fucking travesty!
 
The blue phantom said:
www.independent.co.uk

Trump loses to Biden by six points in new poll

Women voters swing towards Biden following Trump’s E Jean Carroll ruling, new poll finds
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You would hope it's very much like Jeremy Corbyn's election campaign. Massively popular with his base, but unelectable to the wider electorate. I wonder how many moderate conservatives will simply stay away if Trump is the right-wing choice. I also hope four years of actually experiencing what it's like under Trump will galvanize the left to come out and vote.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
The ridiculous hypocrisy of the entire circus is palpable!

The same grandstanding (for the cameras and new fundraising video!) politicians who would rather die than have any serious gun control laws, in order to possibly save the slaughter of kids and adults, make tech company CEOs dance for the cameras because some kids got cyber bullied (rather than dare turn that shit off!) and then committed suicide!

Guns & bullets = Good & safe
Computers & Social Media = Deadly weapons

Got it!

Politics in this country is a fucking travesty!
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For most CEOs it's all about making money and thus keeping shareholders happy.

For most politicians, it's all about remaining in office.

For the masses, it's all about world view confirmation. It's uncomfortable to explore the possibility that you are wrong; ergo, logic, critical thinking, and indeed morals are set aside in favor of populist mental status quo.
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I fucking hope to hell that Trump is convicted of at least one felony offense prior to the 2024 election... absent which... the fat orange guy may well be the next US President.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
For most CEOs it's all about making money and thus keeping shareholders happy.

For most politicians, it's all about remaining in office.

For the masses, it's all about world view confirmation. It's uncomfortable to explore the possibility that you are wrong; ergo, logic, critical thinking, and indeed morals are set aside in favor of populist mental status quo.
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I fucking hope to hell that Trump is convicted of at least one felony offense prior to the 2024 election... absent which... the fat orange guy may well be the next US President.
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No he wont. I confidently think there is a silent majority who have had a titfull of him
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
No he wont. I confidently think there is a silent majority who have had a titfull of him
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If so, the silent majority is pretty goddamn invisible. Moreover, this supposed majority for some reason refuses to participate in polls and is disinclined to bet on the election outcome.

IMO a Trump felony conviction would probably seal a Biden victory; absent that, it's probably Trump in 2024.

That said, we're in totally uncharted territory.

Biden, as incumbent, should be up. Furthermore the economy is great. Into the mix, Trump has claimed personal credit for the Supreme Court's overturn of Roe. Biden should be golden, impossible for Trump to beat.

And yet... Biden is down. In poll after poll after poll and among bettors - who IMO (but controversially so) - outperform polls in predictive ability (but even if this isn't true, it's at least another data point).

If Democrats - and Biden - are to prevail, absent a Trump felony conviction, they need to be extremely adept. For starters, in swing states, there absolutely needs to be some sort of abortion/contraceptive measure on the 2024 Presidential ballot to get out the vote.

Messaging needs to improve too - although it's unclear - to me - how to effectively counter the Right's massive misinformation network. The Right's misinformation fires up their base, and turns independent/neutral voters into brain dead sheeple, believing that The Right has done a bunch of bad things but that The Left is just the same.
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TL/DR - I think that Trump is favorite to be the next US President absent a felony conviction prior to the 2024 election.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Moreover, this supposed majority for some reason refuses to participate in polls and is disinclined to bet on the election outcome.

IMO a Trump felony conviction would probably seal a Biden victory; absent that, it's probably Trump in 2024.

That said, we're in totally uncharted territory.

Biden, as incumbent, should be up. Furthermore the economy is great. Into the mix, Trump has claimed personal credit for the Supreme Court's overturn of Roe. Biden should be golden, impossible for Trump to beat.

And yet... Biden is down. In poll after poll after poll and among bettors - who IMO (but controversially so) - outperform polls in predictive ability (but even if this isn't true, it's at least another data point).

If Democrats - and Biden - are to prevail, absent a Trump felony conviction, they need to be extremely adept. For starters, in swing states, there absolutely needs to be some sort of abortion/contraceptive measure on the 2024 Presidential ballot to get out the vote.

Messaging needs to improve too - although it's unclear - to me - how to effectively counter the Right's massive misinformation network. The Right's misinformation fires up their base, and turns independent/neutral voters into brain dead sheeple, believing that The Right has done a bunch of bad things but that The Left is just the same.
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TL/DR - I think that Trump is favorite to be the next US President absent a felony conviction prior to the 2024 election.
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Your logic doesn't make that much sense to me. If he's convicted of a felony you think his base won't show up? Or you think THAT'S what will suddenly make undecided/laconic/disinterested people vote for Biden? Why? For all the evidence we have and have had over the nearly 40 years this guy has been a public figure, people have already made up their minds for the most part.

In my small circle, NO ONE talks about politics any more. I think we've all had enough. There's no upside to it, and no one is going to convince anyone else. I suspect polls are very much skewed toward people who would answer such things, and that is decidedly not me nor anyone I know. No one has the interest or the time, and fewer and fewer have land lines, and screen junk calls on their cells, and junk emails. Nutters seem to have that time, and interest in being heard (needing attention) too.
 
FogBlueInSanFran said:
Your logic doesn't make that much sense to me. If he's convicted of a felony you think his base won't show up? Or you think THAT'S what will suddenly make undecided/laconic/disinterested people vote for Biden? Why? For all the evidence we have and have had over the nearly 40 years this guy has been a public figure, people have already made up their minds for the most part.

In my small circle, NO ONE talks about politics any more. I think we've all had enough. There's no upside to it, and no one is going to convince anyone else. I suspect polls are very much skewed toward people who would answer such things, and that is decidedly not me nor anyone I know. No one has the interest or the time. Nutters seem to have both.
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He could shit on the US flag and throw it at the statue of Lincoln and not lose his base!
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
If so, the silent majority is pretty goddamn invisible. Moreover, this supposed majority for some reason refuses to participate in polls and is disinclined to bet on the election outcome.

IMO a Trump felony conviction would probably seal a Biden victory; absent that, it's probably Trump in 2024.

That said, we're in totally uncharted territory.

Biden, as incumbent, should be up. Furthermore the economy is great. Into the mix, Trump has claimed personal credit for the Supreme Court's overturn of Roe. Biden should be golden, impossible for Trump to beat.

And yet... Biden is down. In poll after poll after poll and among bettors - who IMO (but controversially so) - outperform polls in predictive ability (but even if this isn't true, it's at least another data point).

If Democrats - and Biden - are to prevail, absent a Trump felony conviction, they need to be extremely adept. For starters, in swing states, there absolutely needs to be some sort of abortion/contraceptive measure on the 2024 Presidential ballot to get out the vote.

Messaging needs to improve too - although it's unclear - to me - how to effectively counter the Right's massive misinformation network. The Right's misinformation fires up their base, and turns independent/neutral voters into brain dead sheeple, believing that The Right has done a bunch of bad things but that The Left is just the same.
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TL/DR - I think that Trump is favorite to be the next US President absent a felony conviction prior to the 2024 election.
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Trump support has fallen off with the “moderates who took a chance.”

There are just too many Americans who have seen what a disaster he is, both personally and professionally. Hell, even his daughter testified to it at the Jan 6th hearings!

187 minutes of watching an insurrection on TV from his dining room, as his supporters erected a gallows, chanted “Hang Mike Pence,” and the Secret Service told Pence, “If we don’t get you out now, we might not be able to get you out!” as thd rioters moved in!

That alone should disqualify him, but it doesn’t yet!

Ma & Pa Semi-Sensible America aren’t up for another dose of scary crazy…I hope!

Plus, we are still in the Nomination phase and Republicans are getting all the airtime because they’re the ones fighting amongst themselves. Wake Joe up when the race begins in earnest!
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
If so, the silent majority is pretty goddamn invisible. Moreover, this supposed majority for some reason refuses to participate in polls and is disinclined to bet on the election outcome.

IMO a Trump felony conviction would probably seal a Biden victory; absent that, it's probably Trump in 2024.

That said, we're in totally uncharted territory.

Biden, as incumbent, should be up. Furthermore the economy is great. Into the mix, Trump has claimed personal credit for the Supreme Court's overturn of Roe. Biden should be golden, impossible for Trump to beat.

And yet... Biden is down. In poll after poll after poll and among bettors - who IMO (but controversially so) - outperform polls in predictive ability (but even if this isn't true, it's at least another data point).

If Democrats - and Biden - are to prevail, absent a Trump felony conviction, they need to be extremely adept. For starters, in swing states, there absolutely needs to be some sort of abortion/contraceptive measure on the 2024 Presidential ballot to get out the vote.

Messaging needs to improve too - although it's unclear - to me - how to effectively counter the Right's massive misinformation network. The Right's misinformation fires up their base, and turns independent/neutral voters into brain dead sheeple, believing that The Right has done a bunch of bad things but that The Left is just the same.
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TL/DR - I think that Trump is favorite to be the next US President absent a felony conviction prior to the 2024 election.
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Sorry -- also -- as a few of us brought up -- the NH polls headed in predicted a Tump win percentage point-wise that turned about to be double what actually transpired vs. Haley. That's pretty good evidence that there's a "silent majority" (as @Uncle Wally One Ball put it) out there . . .
 
ChicagoBlue said:
That base cannot elect him!
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Don't kid yourself.. it can and did in 2016. Once in the ballot box a lot of people vote against who they hate and this hate of migrants is working.

NYC is super liberal yet 77% of those liberal New Yorkers want these migrants deported as the mayor wants to cut police, fire, paramedics and hospital workers in order to house these migrants in hotels.

It's obvious the Republican plan to end illegal immigration is by turning the nation into such a shit hole that nobody will want to come here.. and scare the locals away from voting for policies that're good for them.

Lets be honest.. they aren't doing too badly either.. so yeah he can win! Biden has his work cut out for him to hammer it home that Trump and the GOP aren't going to fix things.. they'll likely make it a whole lot worse by curtailing personal freedoms!
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
Don't kid yourself.. it can and did in 2016. Once in the ballot box a lot of people vote against who they hate and this hate of migrants is working.

NYC is super liberal yet 77% of those liberal New Yorkers want these migrants deported as the mayor wants to cut police, fire, paramedics and hospital workers in order to house these migrants in hotels.

It's obvious the Republican plan to end illegal immigration is by turning the nation into such a shit hole that nobody will want to come here.. and scare the locals away from voting for policies that're good for them.

Lets be honest.. they aren't doing too badly either.. so yeah he can win! Biden has his work cut out for him to hammer it home that Trump and the GOP aren't going to fix things.. they'll likely make it a whole lot worse by curtailing personal freedoms!
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His base isn’t nearly big enough to elect him. The non-MAGA Republicans have to decide if they are willing to take Trump simply because he has an R label. Both my In-laws are conservative Rs, but refuse to vote for him! There are plenty more like them.

In addition, there are the ones who took a chance in 2016, and maybe even voted for him in 2020, but given the events of Jan 6, all the lawsuits, the $80+M rape and defamation award, and the little matter of dozens of felony charges, they’re not willing to do it again!

Even if you say both bases are 40%, it’s the centrist 20% who are called “swing voters” that will decide the election in a handful of states!

Sadly, although Trump lost the 2020 national popular vote by literally millions of votes, the election boiled down to a few thousand votes in a small handful of swing states.

Lord help us!
 
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