Everton Thread - 2023/24

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paulchapo said:
I know mate, we know that and you know that. Sadly a large section of your fanbase have fallen for the bullshit that we are. This is pretty ludicrous given that they've done everything in their power to stop us and have hit us with 115 charges, in spite of an independent court, cas, completely clearing us of many of the same charges. Mud sticks and they know it. I find it interesting they're now rolling out people like one of your ex board members to say they fear we'll get off due to our owners political sway with the government. They're already setting their stall out in case we win our case.
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I look at it from an opposite viewpoint - they take you on in any way and I'm stocking up on popcorn :-)
Problem is we messed up and we're punished for it. I have no issues with that but it's the punishment itself I disagree with. They say we have a wealthy owner therefore a points deduction is more appropriate but the overspend itself was arguably around the 25 million mark. Had we gone into administration affecting thousands of jobs and a new stadium project we'd have only been deducted 10 points based on what happened to Portsmouth.
 
Zabbasbeard said:
Grand Old Team is a site for knuckledraggers and racist ones too. Their mods allow all that shit. Guess that must be acceptable to the locals over there still but can't say I'm surprised.

That Branthwaite is top drawer in every way and had a great game barring Erling's brilliant 2nd.
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He was weak in that important instance and it effectively ended their chances. Still as you say he looked good barring this one moment. In general I was impressed with the Everton press. I think it caused us a lot of problems for the first hour anyways.
 
shackattack said:
I look at it from an opposite viewpoint - they take you on in any way and I'm stocking up on popcorn :-)
Problem is we messed up and we're punished for it. I have no issues with that but it's the punishment itself I disagree with. They say we have a wealthy owner therefore a points deduction is more appropriate but the overspend itself was arguably around the 25 million mark. Had we gone into administration affecting thousands of jobs and a new stadium project we'd have only been deducted 10 points based on what happened to Portsmouth.
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The only measure should be debt. Not sure how bad it is at Everton. But if Everton want to invest to get themselves to the top table, and can afford it, that’s fine by me.
 
I’ve always thought they’d stay up but, after Saturday, I reckon they’re doomed.
Lying on the floor every 5 minutes in a new invention of time wasting, is one thing. But, a senior player coming out and making excuses about decisions, suggests their heads may well have gone, especially when the decision in question is regarding a corner…
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I’ve always thought they’d stay up but, after Saturday, I reckon they’re doomed.
Lying on the floor every 5 minutes in a new invention of time wasting, is one thing. But, a senior player coming out and making excuses about decisions, suggests their heads may well have gone, especially when the decision in question is regarding a corner…
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Theyll go. Luton are better than them.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I’ve always thought they’d stay up but, after Saturday, I reckon they’re doomed.
Lying on the floor every 5 minutes in a new invention of time wasting, is one thing. But, a senior player coming out and making excuses about decisions, suggests their heads may well have gone, especially when the decision in question is regarding a corner…
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Yeah stunk of defeatism. And the goal from the resulting corner was because of piss poor defending
 
shackattack said:
I never really go on it except for occasional visit to mental health thread. Bluekipper had a much better forum and was well run by Steve who is an absolute gent. This is about the most accepting forum of other fan's generally and seems well moderated. I generally only post on this thread unless something grabs my attention. I can understand why people would feel it weird to go on another team's forum but to me I go on quite a few forums as it's good to see things in a different light. I think the anti city thing is generally our fans of a certain age. Most of my mates have no real issues with City, to me it's not comparable to what we did and though I don't agree with the sanctions from the PL we were stupid and naive in how we conducted our affairs. As a fanbase we've protested against our owners for decades so it was no great shock.
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You are very welcome on this forum and I hope you feel welcomed. And I don't think it's wweird that you post here. I like to get a different perspective too and I was getting a very different one on G.O.T after that Everton v City match was postponed due to Covid. I got a load of abuse and a few of them trotted out the racist abuse towards Sheikh Mansour. I will have a look at Bluekipper.

For what it's worth i think 10 points is way too harsh for a penalty. I don't like these regulations xnyway - sure Everton broke them but the spirit of these regs are just to protect the cartel and prevent our clubs from competing. It's a pity that clubs voted it in. Turkeys voting for Christmas on one level but owners having the excuse not to spend their own on another, in some cases at least. For yours and my mate's sake I hope Everton stay up. Those who have turned their guns on City would get their just desserts if the worst happened for your club.
 
Conflicted personally. On the one hand, no club should have a punishment that could put them on the brink of admin, and this isn't the fans fault..the fact there is a brand new stadium is also cruel. I'm sure many of us would like to visit the new ground on an away day too.

On the other... Everton's board have cosied up with the rags for many years. They've been key in changing the football landscape before we were taken over hell-bent on being established as a Big 5 at the time and have the absolute cheek to bemoan the SLY6 at the same time as calling for City/Chelsea to be punished despite not even having a guilty verdict.

I get tribalism but Burnley go £1m profit and Everton lose £400m. Burnley go down. I think Burnley have a right to be pissed..as do Leeds etc. but Ev don't really care about them do they?
 
Zabbasbeard said:
You are very welcome on this forum and I hope you feel welcomed. And I don't think it's wweird that you post here. I like to get a different perspective too and I was getting a very different one on G.O.T after that Everton v City match was postponed due to Covid. I got a load of abuse and a few of them trotted out the racist abuse towards Sheikh Mansour. I will have a look at Bluekipper.

For what it's worth i think 10 points is way too harsh for a penalty. I don't like these regulations xnyway - sure Everton broke them but the spirit of these regs are just to protect the cartel and prevent our clubs from competing. It's a pity that clubs voted it in. Turkeys voting for Christmas on one level but owners having the excuse not to spend their own on another, in some cases at least. For yours and my mate's sake I hope Everton stay up. Those who have turned their guns on City would get their just desserts if the worst happened for your club.
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Bluekipper no longer have a forum but he now does a podcast called cider train. I think for a lot of evertonians they feel a need to apportion blame and personally I think Kenwright and Moshiri have left a legacy that no one ever wanted. Football stopped being predominantly for the fans decades ago and now you need as much nous off the field as you do on.
We never moved with the times, panicked and threw money at every journeyman footballer going. A scattergun approach that was never going to pay dividends. Look at Brighton - a recruitment programme that appears to be paying dividends and playing good football in the process.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
I’ve always thought they’d stay up but, after Saturday, I reckon they’re doomed.
Lying on the floor every 5 minutes in a new invention of time wasting, is one thing. But, a senior player coming out and making excuses about decisions, suggests their heads may well have gone, especially when the decision in question is regarding a corner…
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It all hinges on the appeal. If they get the ten points back they'll stay up.
 
Let's be honest here a 10 point reduction is ridiculous. A transfer ban is proportionate as it actually tries to fix the P&S issue. A points deduction does nothing but potential makes things far worse. I've got no idea who thought a points deduction was the best outcome. The premier league are supposedly helping to stop another Portsmouth not cause another one. It really needs looking into as it looks corrupt as fuck from everyones point of view (apart from Liverpool)
 
shackattack said:
I never really go on it except for occasional visit to mental health thread. Bluekipper had a much better forum and was well run by Steve who is an absolute gent. This is about the most accepting forum of other fan's generally and seems well moderated. I generally only post on this thread unless something grabs my attention. I can understand why people would feel it weird to go on another team's forum but to me I go on quite a few forums as it's good to see things in a different light. I think the anti city thing is generally our fans of a certain age. Most of my mates have no real issues with City, to me it's not comparable to what we did and though I don't agree with the sanctions from the PL we were stupid and naive in how we conducted our affairs. As a fanbase we've protested against our owners for decades so it was no great shock.
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I know quite a few Evertonians, we have decent football debates. Unfortunately I've also seen your minority of mindless thugs attacking women and kids on the way out of Goodison - so it tends to colour people's views.
I don't think you'll find many true football people who agree with the sanctions, but how many of those actually agree with FFP at all.
I'm 56 and think the game has ruined itself now, and I don't see it returning, it's purely driven by greed and sadly your situation is a by product
 
BerkshireBlue said:
Let's be honest here a 10 point reduction is ridiculous. A transfer ban is proportionate as it actually tries to fix the P&S issue. A points deduction does nothing but potential makes things far worse. I've got no idea who thought a points deduction was the best outcome. The premier league are supposedly helping to stop another Portsmouth not cause another one. It really needs looking into as it looks corrupt as fuck from everyones point of view (apart from Liverpool)
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Nah, fuck em
 
BerkshireBlue said:
Let's be honest here a 10 point reduction is ridiculous. A transfer ban is proportionate as it actually tries to fix the P&S issue. A points deduction does nothing but potential makes things far worse. I've got no idea who thought a points deduction was the best outcome. The premier league are supposedly helping to stop another Portsmouth not cause another one. It really needs looking into as it looks corrupt as fuck from everyones point of view (apart from Liverpool)
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Nah fuck the scouse cunts. Get rid of their shite anti football once and for all from the prem. They won't come back up again when they go.
 
Their fans are getting very very nervous now. Little things are setting the fan base off like the rumour the appeal decision would be before Friday. Now they are coming up with conspiracy theories that the PL are waiting till after Monday as fearful of the attention Everton will bring
Another theory they've come up with is a points reduction gives Everton a boost and and will play better against Palace and the league don't want that
Various fans tweeting the PL to say they need to know as it's affecting people's mental health
Everyone also sends to be writing their own judgment "will get 5/6 points".. then there are the paranoia cult... "Sly 6" "corrupt PL"
Also saw, "direct all your anger at the PL if the points aren't cleared"

Noticed how the focused on us and Chelsea despite neither have been decided guilty?
Noticed how they seem to be trying to warn Villa Brighton, Hammers, Wolves it could be them next?
But any thought for Burnley, Leeds, Luton, Southampton, Sheff United in their tweets? Nope.
They are a snide lot. They've blown £200m they didn't have on players that were meant to get top 6. They nearly got relegated and its backfired.
Ukraine war blamed, well the club could not provide evidence of commercial agreements relating to it. Stadium costs? Debunked. They've even tied to blame not suing Sigurdson

I think they'll look back at this in a few years you've and realise that in that 4 year period they were owned by a dodgy businessman who's shady deals and financing sent them into administration. Feel bad for the normal fan, but they are few and far between.
 
I don't think the PL will uphold the 10 point deduction if it relegates Everton, however that might lead to court action from whoever goes in their place. The only thing that might save the PL is if other clubs are found guilty of the same offence and are punished in a similar manner.
 
East Level 2 said:
I don't think the PL will uphold the 10 point deduction if it relegates Everton, however that might lead to court action from whoever goes in their place. The only thing that might save the PL is if other clubs are found guilty of the same offence and are punished in a similar manner.
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I predict Forest get a points deduction that puts them 1 point below Everton and they suddenly stop moaning. Then they'll get the second charge and get relegated.
 
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