PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

gordondaviesmoustache said:
The concern, and not without foundation, is the club carries on in the same vein after we are cleared.
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Personally I’d be disappointed if we didn’t.
It’s called class. Something new to football.
All that’s need is a khaldoon end of season smack down interview
 
CC1 said:
What is wrong though is the way the rules are constantly being changed or “updated” when they start to impact the red yankee clubs. Thats when it becomes hard to “comply”
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I know what everyone is trying to say and you are all right. The FFP rules are poor and they are being changed to punish certain clubs and restrict their investment. But Everton and Forest (and Chelsea for that matter) weren't affected by those rule changes. They spent more than they knew they "should" have according to the rules, banked on a fine and then panicked when points deductions started to be handed out. They should have been more prudent.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I see the debate about the club going onto the front foot or not is still raging whilst I've been sleeping.

It is frustrating that the club effectively just issued a brief, non-confrontational statement when charged and have said fuck all since then. I can't see that changing because as I posted last night it's just business to them. The level they work at involves far more challenging situations than this for starters and it's not affecting the progress or success of the club in any way. I'm certain that Khaldoon isn't raging after listening to Simon Jordan on TS or reading the latest shite Harris has posted on X. We as supporters feel it entirely differently to them and that's not changing.

If disaster struck and we ended up relegated to God knows where and they couldn't overturn it then our owner would decide what he wanted to do with the club. It's not going to dent his finances in any meaningful way and I'm sure he'd get over it far quicker than we would.
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I'm not too concerned about the lack of PR on this. The upper management has always preferred the "move in silence" approach and they don't see a reason to drag themselves into the knuckle dragging discourse going on at the moment.

I guarantee Khaldoon has just laughed off any of the BS on talk radio or podcasting. None of that has any importance if you're actually in the eye of the storm.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think that’s fair comment and is absolutely not what I meant. However, can anyone honestly say the current approach is having a positive effect on how the club is perceived?

Logic (and some emotion tbf) points to these charges being completely without substance. That also appears to be the prevailing view on here. On that basis, why don’t the club exercise control over the narrative a little more, rather than allow lies and falsehoods to take root and flourish as they have hitherto? I could understand the reticence if there was any substance to these hugely serious allegations, but I do not believe there is, and I therefore think the club needs to seize the initiative a little more as the current radio silence is causing more harm than this shift in approach would imo. Especially at this time, when the whole PL edifice around financial restrictions is becoming increasingly dysfunctional and is looking like it could fall anpart anytime.

There has to be some middle ground that departs from deafening silence. I don’t see what the club has to lose from that. It might not have any effect, and is unlikely going to have an overwhelmingly positive impact, but it will make a material difference to the optics imo, given the nature of the charges and how long they have been in force - and public.

It’s about exercising a small degree of control over the narrative, when we currently have absolutely none.

That’s what I meant when I said act like champions.
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Like we've seen with these charges once can of worms opened you can't go back and the shit they protest to much shows guilt will be narrative
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’m not sure the club would listen, mate.
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Couldn't the supporters club be more pro active. Even issuing press release reminding everyone that the position has not changed. Manchester City have irrefutable evidence that despite all the recent publicity surrounding Everton and Forest we have done nothing wrong. It would be great if say Martin Samuels and others would be on board.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I know what everyone is trying to say and you are all right. The FFP rules are poor and they are being changed to punish certain clubs and restrict their investment. But Everton and Forest (and Chelsea for that matter) weren't affected by those rule changes. They spent more than they knew they "should" have according to the rules, banked on a fine and then panicked when points deductions started to be handed out. They should have been more prudent.
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Everything you say is correct, but the deterrent should have been in the rules from the start and not made up on a whim and then they and everyone else would have known the consequences of breaching them.
How hard would it have been to say ex amount of losses, equates to ex amount of points deduction when they first introduced the new rules.
 
TheThirdDeano said:
Makes you wonder how he got so far up the corporate ladder! Simply being useless but outlasting everyone else? Nepotism? Willing to do the dirty?
Also, just an aside, didn’t one of the others originally accept the position, learnt more about the role and then backed out? Or am I misremembering?

It is my theory,that his uselessness, idiocy and lack of charisma is the reason they approved him. Incompetency is a very good cover.

We’ll see in a few years when he loses his job.I don’t think he’ll be unemployed long and wouldn’t be surprised to see him gain some sort of advisory role in UEFA or god forbid some sort of new league
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Business is flooded with useless cunts who roll up their trouser leg on a regular basis as members of the same club and shake hands in a secret way
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The concern, and not without foundation, is the club carries on in the same vein after we are cleared.
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In my eyes the club will carry on and move forward in the same vein like we did after the UEFA nonsense.
And remember this time last year the Premier League dropped the 115 charges shite on us. What happened? We went on and won the treble.
I like to think this club does it's talking where it matters which is on the pitch whilst the rest of them obviously do their talking off the pitch.
The negative comments and the false accusations just seem to fuel us on to greater things.
 
paulchapo said:
There are now yes. It won't be sustainable. If Pep leaves and we go a few years without a trophy, or God forbid these charges stick they'll melt away. Us real legacy fans are at least in our sixties and above, when we go who fills the void?
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"Real legacy fans" are the families who have stuck by the club forever, unfortunately the club are making it harder for the young members to continue the legacy
 
Newman Noggs said:
When the richest, most powerful and commercially successful league in the world appears to be so, inexplicably, hell-bent on self-destruction, I think it's worth, at least, considering the possibility that, far from being incompetence, it's actually a deliberate act of sabotage from within.

After all, if we, and Martin Samuel, could see the utter shambles that would Inevitably result, why couldn't the architects of the whole disaster.

If we consider who would benefit from the collapse of the PL, who would love to see the PL implode, the answer has to be La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga. So we're talking, primarily, the most powerful clubs in those leagues Madrid, Barca, Athletico the Milan clubs, Juventus, Bayern and Dortmund. Essentially, those leagues' representatives in the old G14. Apart from the German clubs, that's, also, essentially, the clubs refusing to give up on the ESL. But the ESL is nothing without the most powerful English clubs to carry it through and structure of the PL and, specifically the voting structure of the PL, means that Arsenal, united, liverpool and Spurs could be out-voted or, worse, in theory, voted out. We've recently seen what some media sources, most notably, Sky, describe as a "rebellion" where some clubs had the audacity to vote against the "associated party" rule changes. In short, there are signs that the other clubs are beginning to flex their muscles. So, change the voting rights. Liverpool and united were frustrated in their attempts to do just that in Project Big Picture where, in association with Rick Parry, their PL puppet, Richard Masters', equivalent in the EFL, they attempted to tie increased payments to the EFL to increased voting rights for 9 certain clubs including, oddly, City, Everton, West Ham and Southampton. The kicker being that the way it was structured was that only 6 clubs were required to carry any proposal., one of which, incidentally, was the power to veto new owners, So Arsenal, united, liverpool, spurs and chelsea only needed one other vote to do as they pleased. That plan was frustrated by the other clubs in the PL.

All that presents a real problem for the 4 PL clubs most determined to join the ESL. That is, unless the Premier League is brought to heel and ceases to be the commercial force that it has been and would continue to be, unless it somehow contrived to self-destruct. And at that point, the white knights would ride in to save the day. Only with certain pre-conditions......

Fanciful ? Possibly, but I'm not so sure.
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Exactly why they are against the Football Independent Regulator who will have amongst others the following power

Prevent English clubs from joining breakaway or unlicensed leagues.

Fans will no longer face the prospect of their clubs signing up to damaging breakaway competitions such as the European Super League, which several Premier League clubs tried to join in 2021. The proposals for the new competition were not meritocratic, did not have the support of the fans, and threatened the heritage and financial stability of English football.
 
jamielowndes said:
I'm not too concerned about the lack of PR on this. The upper management has always preferred the "move in silence" approach and they don't see a reason to drag themselves into the knuckle dragging discourse going on at the moment.

I guarantee Khaldoon has just laughed off any of the BS on talk radio or podcasting. None of that has any importance if you're actually in the eye of the storm.
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No one is expecting Khaldoon to call up TS and give it the big one, but the club has not issued a statement about this for over a year. I fail to see how a brief statement about our engagement with the process; the absence of any substantive evidence; asserting that the delay is down to the process, not us; and reaffirming our innocence would be against the club’s best interests. If those four elements are true (which I believe they are) I can’t see why that doesn’t happen, given the length of time for this still to play out and recent events in relation to other clubs.

I can see nothing wrong with the club reaffirming its position at this stage.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think that’s fair comment and is absolutely not what I meant. However, can anyone honestly say the current approach is having a positive effect on how the club is perceived?

Logic (and some emotion tbf) points to these charges being completely without substance. That also appears to be the prevailing view on here. On that basis, why don’t the club exercise control over the narrative a little more, rather than allow lies and falsehoods to take root and flourish as they have hitherto? I could understand the reticence if there was any substance to these hugely serious allegations, but I do not believe there is, and I therefore think the club needs to seize the initiative a little more as the current radio silence is causing more harm than this shift in approach would imo. Especially at this time, when the whole PL edifice around financial restrictions is becoming increasingly dysfunctional and is looking like it could fall anpart anytime.

There has to be some middle ground that departs from deafening silence. I don’t see what the club has to lose from that. It might not have any effect, and is unlikely going to have an overwhelmingly positive impact, but it will make a material difference to the optics imo, given the nature of the charges and how long they have been in force - and public.

It’s about exercising a small degree of control over the narrative, when we currently have absolutely none.

That’s what I meant when I said act like champions.
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From the outside looking in then it appears the club are sitting back and not fighting but I know how hard the communications team work to try and fight the negative media, trouble is, its already lost the war with few in the media prepared to help City fight their corner I'm sure you would agree that, going to law to fight the slurs is a waste of time and money when the club have more urgent matters to attend to
 
Gordyola said:
From the outside looking in then it appears the club are sitting back and not fighting but I know how hard the communications team work to try and fight the negative media, trouble is, its already lost the war with few in the media prepared to help City fight their corner I'm sure you would agree that, going to law to fight the slurs is a waste of time and money when the club have more urgent matters to attend to
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A brief statement isn’t going to distract the club from doing anything.
 
give it to gordon said:
I'll admit I'm not expert in ffp but this person on YouTube comments says that debt before the rules doesn't count. No idea if that's correct. But arent City being charged for breaking the rules before the rules were made ?

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He's just talking tosh.

There is no calculation in the FFP/PSR regs about total debt; it's all about losses year-to-year. I'm pretty certain that the interest payments on debt count towards FFP/PSR, but the actual debt value itself is irrelevant.
 
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