England v Brazil | Friendly | Match Thread

the blue panther said:
I'll say this even though it should be obvious - the problem here is that City fans have been so spoilt watching unbelievable, high quality football, improving year on year for 12 years, that we are always bored these days by the standard of international football, but especially involving England. I doubt that any of us want Southgate/ England to fail; we just find it incredibly boring and substandard compared to what we see week-in, week-out. Try looking at it from that perspective.
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That’s a international football issue - not a Southgate issue.

You think the next manager that comes along will make everything all exciting? Especially in a friendly during the PL season when everyone’s annoyed the PL is taking a break.

International football is often slower, more boring, players trying to adjust to players there not used to playing with and the dynamic just isn’t there like club football.

England fans don’t watch other international teams so seem to judge purely based on the excitement levels of the PL.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
That’s a international football issue - not a Southgate issue.

You think the next manager that comes along will make everything all exciting? Especially in a friendly during the PL season when everyone’s annoyed the PL is taking a break.

International football is often slower, more boring, players trying to adjust to players there not used to playing with and the dynamic just isn’t there like club football.

England fans don’t watch other international teams so seem to judge purely based on the excitement levels of the PL.
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So if its not a Southgate issue, I assume you don't think Pep or Klopp would get these players playing any better then?
 
The FA have well and truly sanitised Wembley. A stadium full of middle class families sat in silence for the vast majority of the match bar the odd chants of England coming from the kids. And the England band that should have been binned years ago before the novelty of it died a death. Congratulations to the FA. They’ve got what they wanted.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
So if its not a Southgate issue, I assume you don't think Pep or Klopp would get these players playing any better then?
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They could get us playing like Man City at there absolute best but should we dare to lose then it’s an onslaught of what the manager should have done differently, why didn’t he play so and so, why didn’t he make the right subs - ‘this is why we won’t win anything’ and all the usual cliche garbage.

As I said , international football is just less exciting than PL , players don’t gel as much, it’s slower - no manager can change that

Pep and Klopp would likely get a bit more respite based on their reputations but I struggle to see who the next manager is going to be to absolutely guarantee we always play ‘exciting’ football , always win and always win trophies.

That’s just my take by the way and I know I’m in the minority.
 
jrb said:
The FA have well and truly sanitised Wembley. A stadium full of middle class families sat in silence for the vast majority of the match, bar the odd chants of England coming from the kids. And the England band that should have been binned years ago before the novelty of it died a death. Congratulations to the FA. They’ve got what they wanted.
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It's the same across the PL as well.

Most atmospheres across the country barring a few of the bigger games here and there are truly atrocious for atmosphere.
 
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BlueHammer85 said:
They could get us playing like Man City at there absolute best but should we dare to lose then it’s an onslaught of what the manager should have done differently, why didn’t he play so and so, why didn’t he make the right subs - ‘this is why we won’t win anything’ and all the usual cliche garbage.

As I said , international football is just less exciting than PL , players don’t gel as much, it’s slower - no manager can change that

Pep and Klopp would likely get a bit more respite based on their reputations but I struggle to see who the next manager is going to be to absolutely guarantee we always play ‘exciting’ football , always win and always win trophies.

That’s just my take by the way and I know I’m in the minority.
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You really think that Pep losing once would ellicit the same response (as you describe) as Southgate losing yet again, at home, against one of the worst Brazilian sides in recent memory?

Do you think it would be reasonable to say he would likely get far more leeway, especially if he has England playing entertaining, attacking football (thus losing isn’t as soul crushing)?
 
SebastianBlue said:
You really think that Pep losing once would ellicit the same response (as you describe) as Southgate losing yet again, at home, against one of the worst Brazilian sides in recent memory?
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Yes.

And losing ‘yet again, at home’ - when was the last time ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
They could get us playing like Man City at there absolute best but should we dare to lose then it’s an onslaught of what the manager should have done differently, why didn’t he play so and so, why didn’t he make the right subs - ‘this is why we won’t win anything’ and all the usual cliche garbage.

As I said , international football is just less exciting than PL , players don’t gel as much, it’s slower - no manager can change that

Pep and Klopp would likely get a bit more respite based on their reputations but I struggle to see who the next manager is going to be to absolutely guarantee we always play ‘exciting’ football , always win and always win trophies.

That’s just my take by the way and I know I’m in the minority.
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So you don't think Pep or Klopp would get these players playing more attacking football!

That I'm afraid is utter nonsense. Your argument in defense of Southgate is in tatters.
 
cleavers said:
Fucking international, and pointless, friendlies.

2 of City's most important players end up playing a full 90 minutes, and the other gets injured after 20 minutes.
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Footballers are being asked to play too much, international football should be put right in the fucking bin.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
They could get us playing like Man City at there absolute best but should we dare to lose then it’s an onslaught of what the manager should have done differently, why didn’t he play so and so, why didn’t he make the right subs - ‘this is why we won’t win anything’ and all the usual cliche garbage.

As I said , international football is just less exciting than PL , players don’t gel as much, it’s slower - no manager can change that

Pep and Klopp would likely get a bit more respite based on their reputations but I struggle to see who the next manager is going to be to absolutely guarantee we always play ‘exciting’ football , always win and always win trophies.

That’s just my take by the way and I know I’m in the minority.
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"...all the usual cliche garbage"... cuts both ways - and atm not in your favour - we won't win anything under southgate cos he's technically inept - it's not fucking rocket surgery
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
So you don't think Pep or Klopp would get these players playing more attacking football!
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What formation shape would they do different out of interest ?

we might attack more but soon as we lose and exit a tournament then no one cares and the manager gets crucified
 
Kinkybyname said:
"...all the usual cliche garbage"... cuts both ways - and atm not in your favour - we won't win anything under southgate cos he's technically inept - it's not fucking rocket surgery
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Literally a penalty shoot out away from winning a tournament, can’t get any closer to winning that that. He took us further than any manager we’ve had since 1966.

It’s so easy to just point at any manager and say ‘he won’t win us anything ‘ because the likelihood is we wont. Regardless who we have in the dugout.
1. We have no devine right regardless of how good the players are.
2. Because it’s tournament football, anyone can knock out anyone, only takes a mistake, or a bad ref decision and that’s it you’re out.

Man City didn’t win champions league for ages and they have the best manager and best players in the world. Football is a fickle game. Hence I’d rather just enjoy it and ignore the nonsense and outrage should we dare to lose.
 
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