PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Andy Burnham was on the Sports Agents podcast a week or so ago and made an important point in this respect. He said that there was an obvious conflict of interest between the PL being both the promoter of a product and the regulator of it. I think that is spot on. Plainly there is a potential conflict between the role of developing the PL brand as much as possible and the role of ensuring regulatory compliance amongst its members. One of the reasons a lot of non-blues think we will "get off with it" is precisely because of that conflict. In recent years there have been a fair few instances of, for instance, professional bodies having their trade union and regulatory functions separated, so that for instance doctors' interests are promoted by the BMA but their conduct is regulated by the General Medical Council. Solicitors are protected by the Law Society but regulated by the Solicitors' Regulatory Authority.

In the case of the PL, the reality however seems to be even more nuanced. I would say there is wide recognition, at least on this forum, that the red top clubs, rags and dippers in particular, have a disproportionate amount of influence over the PL. The example everyone knows of is their role in the recruitment of Richard Masters, with the additional interview and the surprising withdrawal of other candidates who would have been offered the job before him. Surprisingly, or not according to perspective, that story (whilst plainly true as I recall it) did not get much traction amongst the mainstream media.

It seems to me the appointment of an independent regulator can only be a good thing. At the very least, we could be satisfied that a regulator with a statutory remit would be much less likely to do the bidding of the red shirts. At the very least, we would know that disciplinary charges were not brought from a desire to nobble a competitor. At best, an independent regulator can bring an end to some of the corruption that has surrounded the game at PL level.
The most commercially successful football league on the planet will not benefit from the dead hand of government regulation.

What's required is genuinely independent arbitration, (CAS for example) to prevent the stitch up that might be coming our way from the 'Independent' Commission that will try our case.
 
Only what’s out there in terms of the Der Spiegel leak.

The only question I’ve got on the Fordham one is why wasn’t it part of Uefa’s case against us

Have you ever seen the actual DS emails on Fordham? It's the only one of the allegations I am unsure about, but that is only because I don't much about how it worked. I would be very surprised if it wasn't completely above board, though. As I say, I imagine these guys get legal and tax clearance on everything.

On UEFA, they looked at Fordham in 2014 and it was part of the settlement. I suspect they didn't re-open it again in 2019 because of the settlement in the same way they didn't open up related parties and fair value again.
 
Have you ever seen the actual DS emails on Fordham? It's the only one of the allegations I am unsure about, but that is only because I don't much about how it worked. I would be very surprised if it wasn't completely above board, though. As I say, I imagine these guys get legal and tax clearance on everything.

On UEFA, they looked at Fordham in 2014 and it was part of the settlement. I suspect they didn't re-open it again in 2019 because of the settlement in the same way they didn't open up related parties and fair value again.
Haven’t the PL gone back earlier than 2014?
 
Sounds like affectively a related party transaction and off the books payment. I think what we are accused of doing wrong. No city fan should be saying stuff like that we should be maintaining innocence.

I always assumed the payments where entirely separate and justified after all the other club is not part of CFG
 
Last update from Tolmie was that we should know the date of the hearing by June.

Projectriver put a timeline up ages ago and my take on where it might be now is:

Hearing date announced in June

Hearing in early autumn

Judgement released around this time next year

Appeals by either party to be concluded by the end of 2025
Can't see a judgement being released 'around this time next year'.
The judgement and appeal will have to be concluded in the same season.
 
The most commercially successful football league on the planet will not benefit from the dead hand of government regulation.

What's required is genuinely independent arbitration, (CAS for example) to prevent the stitch up that might be coming our way from the 'Independent' Commission that will try our case.

Who is advocating regulation by government?

All regulators are appointed by government, thereafter they are independent.

And, while I’m asking questions, what evidence is there that the independent commission will not be precisely that?
 
Can't see a judgement being released 'around this time next year'.
The judgement and appeal will have to be concluded in the same season.
You'll have to take that up with @projectriver

His timetable is longer than that and he's giving a full year for an appeal to be completed. Sounds crazy but look how long it is since we were charged and still no date for the hearing.
 
On Nick Ferrari LBC this morning he had Jonathan Ashworth and they got onto talking about Leicester being charged (Leicester fan and MP). Of course they came out with 'What about Man City'. Had to laugh.
 
Well, yes, that makes sense. They met him once before they offered him the City job and liked him, so they offered him the City job but couldn't sign him up because of the Inter clause, so they kept him warm with a lucrative consultancy contract until they could comfortably sign him or, in Hughes's case, had to sign him because it was going tits up. The contract was continued for Mancini's tax reasons, all negotiations and contracts being handled by the club.

Sounds more than plausible to me.

Anyway, its all speculation, but I am much more comfortable with that as an explanation than the club deliberately trying to mislead the PL for reasons which aren't, at all, apparent. Balance of probability, if you will.

It's OK to disagree, though.
Wasn’t Mancini before PL FFP so why would they be trying to hide or disguise a payment as it didn’t matter?
 
Not providing full details of manager remuneration. They can’t say they continued the contract with the negotiations done by the club as that does show it was a related transaction.
A contract with a manager is not anything to do with related parties or am I missing something?
 
Yes :)

Well, they are trying .....
My point to the other poster was that he said he thought we had settled with Fordham in 2014; if that inferred there was a problem that was put right in 2014 and the premier league cunts were going back earlier than 2014 then might we have an issue with it?
 
You'll have to take that up with @projectriver

His timetable is longer than that and he's giving a full year for an appeal to be completed. Sounds crazy but look how long it is since we were charged and still no date for the hearing.
Even crazier when you consider how long they've been "investigating" our breaches.
 
Sounds like affectively a related party transaction and off the books payment. I think what we are accused of doing wrong. No city fan should be saying stuff like that we should be maintaining innocence.

I always assumed the payments where entirely separate and justified after all the other club is not part of CFG
I am not saying there are related party transactions or off the book payments. It's a split salary under two separate contracts. I don't see any problem with that as long as the amounts involved can be justified under both contracts. I would imagine that the club got legal and tax clearance before signing anyway.

It's apparent from the emails that the club was involved in negotiating the contracts and, it seems, in some payments. We can't pretend the implications of the emails don't exist. They have to be covered by the defence. But none of that bothers me particularly.

When I was getting a split salary, I wasn't negotiating separately with the three group companies. I negotiated with one, the lead company, and they handled the rest with the other companies. It's all normal to me.

All imho, of course. Feel free to disagree.
 
On Nick Ferrari LBC this morning he had Jonathan Ashworth and they got onto talking about Leicester being charged (Leicester fan and MP). Of course they came out with 'What about Man City'. Had to laugh.
Ashworth is from Salford isn't he & was parachuted into Leicester. It might just be politically expedient to claim he's a Leicester fan, that's of he's even said he is one.
 
The most commercially successful football league on the planet will not benefit from the dead hand of government regulation.

What's required is genuinely independent arbitration, (CAS for example) to prevent the stitch up that might be coming our way from the 'Independent' Commission that will try our case.
The independent regulator is independent their powers are set by an act of parliament its downs time a that the government of the day will interfere
CAS is an arbitration service
The PL independent commission is appointed by the PL and will consist of at least 2 KCs who will consider the evidence from both parties much like CAS
 
A contract with a manager is not anything to do with related parties or am I missing something?

If we were negotiating the contract on behalf of Al Jazira with him and there were transactions or agreements between the two it’d be pretty hard to argue they shouldn’t have been considered a related party.

I think the main argument the PL will have and we’ll have to justify is the negotiation around the 2011 one as the emails did indicate his salary at Al Jazira had a bearing on the salary he got with us (as in we effectively treated it as one total package).
 

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