Vat on Independent school fees?

[domalino]

late 80s early 90s in my school

not sure they were part of asigned DoE curriculum, they were taught to make ypung people more self sufficient.

Not sure it’s as useful when you can use Google and find 100 videos explaining how to change a fuse better than any teacher and get reference guides and diagrams.

 

[urban genie]

Not sure it’s as useful when you can use Google and find 100 videos explaining how to change a fuse better than any teacher and get reference guides and diagrams.

We live a self created disposable world, you think kids are youtubing basic skills?

the point is to learn to be self sufficient in a practical lesson, telling them to look it up and not learn how to fix stuff hamds on equals telling them to give up and just buy a new one every time.

 

[domalino]

telling them to look it up and not learn how to fix stuff hamds on equals telling them to give up and just buy a new one every time.

Sorry you’re going to have to explain to me how being able to look something up and learn how to fix it is equal to encouraging someone to give up and buy a new one.

 

[urban genie]

Sorry you’re going to have to explain to me how being able to look something up and learn how to fix it is equal to encouraging someone to give up and buy a new one.

I don't have to though realy, that would mean me explaining myself or teaching you my meaning, just google it, sure loads of explanations will come upon the topic of why practical teaching isn't necessary over online videos

 

[Brewster's millions]

Yeah it’s free, provided by the state for the benefit of children.

Obviously you’re angling for a “it’s not free I pay tax” line, but it’s very sixth form politics to pretend taxation and public spending are directly linked - if you spend a second thinking about it, that doesn’t work on any level.

You don’t have to pay tax to go to school.

You don’t pay less tax if you don’t go to state school.

Your taxes don’t go down if the DoE budget gets cut, they dont necessarily go up if the government decides to increase education spending.

How do you even reconcile your line of thinking with the fact the country is run at a deficit?

No one pays tax, no one goes to school.

Government expenditure and taxation are intrinsically linked.

If a country has a deficit, then it’s simply using future tax revenues to sustain the present provision of services, such as education.

 

[Brewster's millions]

What’s a sub-par degree?

Quite simple really, particularly in the context of student loans.

If your degree isn’t likely to secure you a job that will provide the income level required to repay your student loan in full, then it’s not worthwhile for society.

 

[Scottyboi]

Quite simple really, particularly in the context of student loans.

If your degree isn’t likely to secure you a job that will provide the income level required to repay your student loan in full, then it’s not worthwhile for society.

Doesn't have to be worthwhile to society, you can do a degree for yourself and your interests surely.

 

[johnnytapia]

Quite simple really, particularly in the context of student loans.

If your degree isn’t likely to secure you a job that will provide the income level required to repay your student loan in full, then it’s not worthwhile for society.

“The myth that all studying should lead to a worthwhile job. Learning should be valued in and of itself.”

 

[johnnytapia]

Doesn't have to be worthwhile to society, you can do a degree for yourself and your interests surely.

Don’t be surprised- Tories always see everything through the prism of money.

 

[Phil1]

If your degree isn’t likely to secure you a job that will provide the income level required to repay your student loan in full, then it’s not worthwhile for society.

You are genuinely the worst person on BM. Your idea of society is so far removed from the realities of life for the average person I have to believe you’re a parody.
But, you’re not, you live an existence that the majority of posters you reply to don’t recognise and yet you still persist.
I’ve been up to a bit of shenanigans all my life and yet none of it is as unethical as the world you see and endorse.

 

[Brewster's millions]

Doesn't have to be worthwhile to society, you can do a degree for yourself and your interests surely.

You can, yes, but you shouldn’t expect everyone else to pick up the tab for you.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Doesn't have to be worthwhile to society, you can do a degree for yourself and your interests surely.

In fact it was once fashionable and expected of the children of the wealthy to go to Uni and study for the sake of it

 

[west didsblue]

Quite simple really, particularly in the context of student loans.

If your degree isn’t likely to secure you a job that will provide the income level required to repay your student loan in full, then it’s not worthwhile for society.

If there was a dislike button, your post could break records.
Sadly you would have no idea why.

 

[Scottyboi]

You can, yes, but you shouldn’t expect everyone else to pick up the tab for you.

I think it is a slippery slope going down the route of saying what is and what isn't worthwhile. But I'm a big believer that key industries that we require should have fully funded degrees as long as the person gains employment in that industry for a number of years.

 

[oldius]

I’m opposed to anything that makes it less attainable to people however I think it’s a bit of a storm in a tea cup.

The government are unlikely to gain anything like the money they suggest - I think Labour will be happy if they can make it stick and Starmer can show he really is a leftie after all and the schools/parents will be happy if it doesn’t hurt.

Ultimately schools have the power here IMHO, if the worst came to the worst and they were in danger of losing kids to make themselves unviable then these schools could make everyone self employed, treat everything as private tuition (this is exempt from VAT) and just act as a billing service provider thus exempting themselves from VAT. Good luck challenging that HMRC!!

Agreed, and there are always routes to avoiding contribution for those who seek them. Sometimes, it is just about what you stand for.

Is it a storm in a teacup? Well, it is one of very many changes that could be made, and the list of items VAT exempt throws up a number of peculiarities, but the prevailing wind is that society is poorer, and many, many people are struggling, so to have charitable status and VAT exemption for private schooling looks like a gross favour for those with money, while school budgets see those who cannot afford private schooling experience reduced teacher numbers, cuts to SENCO provision, and constant fundraising by schools to try and balance the books.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Girls did home economics and cooking when I was at school in the 70s. Boys did woodwork, metalwork and tech drawing.

Woodwork yes, metalwork yes. I was never taught to change a plug, make fire or any of the others quoted.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

It’s the politics of envy and nothing else. Parents who send their children to private school should actually get a tax refund.

I couldn't give a fuck about what the LWNJ’s on here think - so don’t bother replying. You are wasting your time.

It’s all about ideology from privately educated lefties.

Diddums is upset.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Like state education is free?

Anyroad by that logic private health cover is a luxury good. We have the NHS

Private pension provision is a luxury good. There is a state funded provision.

Sky TV a luxury good. We have free TV.

Free tv you say?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

What’s a sub-par degree?

The one he got.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Quite simple really, particularly in the context of student loans.

If your degree isn’t likely to secure you a job that will provide the income level required to repay your student loan in full, then it’s not worthwhile for society.

What a dickhead!
Nurses will never pay their loans off.
To pay a student loan off you need to start your career on £45K according to MSE.